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Robert
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 16, 2005 6:50 pm    Post subject: Re: College/degree advice requested Reply with quote

"Candide" <PityMePines@anywhere.com> wrote in message
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"skf" <sharon@6000gp.com> wrote in message
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Good advice Candide,
it's amazing to me that someone would pursue nursing because "they are
bored
with their current job", and because employment prospects might seem
good.
It's not like the profession is web design or something, we're talking
human
lives here.

No more stranger than persons spending several years obtaining a nursing
degree, passing the boards then quitting a few months into their
orientation because they "don't like to be around sick people". You
can't make this stuff up folks.

Candide



I don't like to being a care giver which is why I work in the lab. The
strange thing about that is I have a phobia about needles that I really only
found out about when training drawing blood as a Med Tech. I only draw blood
about once every 10 years or so and getting a TB skin test each year is a
challenge for me.
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Wally Finley
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 16, 2005 5:49 pm    Post subject: Re: College/degree advice requested Reply with quote

Quote:
it's amazing to me that someone would pursue nursing because
"they are bored with their current job", and because
employment prospects might seem good. It's not like the
profession is web design or something, we're talking human
lives here.

No more stranger than persons spending several years obtaining a nursing
degree, passing the boards then quitting a few months into their
orientation because they "don't like to be around sick people". You
can't make this stuff up folks.

Candide

While it is true that nursing can be boring, and employment prospects are
not guaranteed, for some the patients are not the problem. I didn't mind
nursing at all, but it's nurses I can't stand. Take another look at the
statement above, "we're talking human lives here", as if nurses are
something special, somehow "better" than web designers, enginners or even
surgeons. I found something else. By the way, "skf", I can't think of
any
profession that does not affect human lives. Nurses have no monopoly on
martyrdom or self-righteousness.

Earle

Oh, I didn't happen to see in my post a statement that I thought nurses had
a monopoly on, or are better than the other professions. My reference to
human lives wasn't even intented to be specific to nursing. Healthcare IS
different than Information Technology, Business, etc. I spent 12 years in
one of those other professions. But, if you feel that being a web designer
is the same as being a nurse or a surgeon.... then boy oh boy that's pretty
darn naive.
In terms of self-righteousness, that doesn't appear in my post either Earle.
It's just I have run into so many people "getting into nursing" because of
the constant talk of the shortage, and they don't know what else to do.
Banging out a Web page is different than dealing with sick patients and
their families. AND...sorry, I don't get the whole "I'm changing the world
with my petstore.com website" mentality either, and I live in the heart of
it all.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 16, 2005 5:42 pm    Post subject: Re: College/degree advice requested Reply with quote

Quote:

"skf" <sharon@6000gp.com> wrote in message
news:11ak6g8d54tg3e9@news.supernews.com...
Good advice Candide,
it's amazing to me that someone would pursue nursing because "they are
bored
with their current job", and because employment prospects might seem
good.
It's not like the profession is web design or something, we're talking
human
lives here.

No more stranger than persons spending several years obtaining a nursing
degree, passing the boards then quitting a few months into their
orientation because they "don't like to be around sick people". You
can't make this stuff up folks.

Candide


Very much agree. It's why it's amazing to me to see student nurses posting
on boards saying "I know I'm not going to like nursing, but it's a job..".
YIKES. Hope they are never MY nurse ;-0
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Mortimer Schnerd, RN
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 13, 2005 12:50 am    Post subject: Re: College/degree advice requested Reply with quote

Emma Chase VanCott wrote:
Quote:
I don't like being around sick people. At least not terribly contagious
ones. ;)

My goals are Public Health and Community Development. Smile


Hell, that's where the contagious people *are*. Think TB. Think clap clinic.
Enjoy.



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Emma Chase VanCott
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 12, 2005 7:51 pm    Post subject: Re: College/degree advice requested Reply with quote

Candide <PityMePines@anywhere.com> wrote:

: "skf" <sharon@6000gp.com> wrote in message
: news:11ak6g8d54tg3e9@news.supernews.com...
: > Good advice Candide,
: > it's amazing to me that someone would pursue nursing because "they are
: bored
: > with their current job", and because employment prospects might seem
: good.
: > It's not like the profession is web design or something, we're talking
: human
: > lives here.

: No more stranger than persons spending several years obtaining a nursing
: degree, passing the boards then quitting a few months into their
: orientation because they "don't like to be around sick people". You
: can't make this stuff up folks.

: Candide



I don't like being around sick people. At least not terribly contagious
ones. ;)

My goals are Public Health and Community Development. :)

I guess that 4th year course on the 'social and economic determinants of
health' converted me.

I couldn't stand a career in just cleaning up the messy, expensive,
preventable outcomes and complications seen in nursing/medicine.

The idea that much of this suffering is preventable (and not
expensive to implement) makes me *crazy*. :)

Health education is where it's at. (At least for me...)


Emma
Smile
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Earle Horton
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 12, 2005 2:06 pm    Post subject: Re: College/degree advice requested Reply with quote

"Candide" <PityMePines@anywhere.com> wrote in message
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....
Quote:
"skf" <sharon@6000gp.com> wrote in message
news:11ak6g8d54tg3e9@news.supernews.com...
Good advice Candide,
it's amazing to me that someone would pursue nursing because
"they are bored with their current job", and because
employment prospects might seem good. It's not like the
profession is web design or something, we're talking human
lives here.

No more stranger than persons spending several years obtaining a nursing
degree, passing the boards then quitting a few months into their
orientation because they "don't like to be around sick people". You
can't make this stuff up folks.

Candide

While it is true that nursing can be boring, and employment prospects are

not guaranteed, for some the patients are not the problem. I didn't mind
nursing at all, but it's nurses I can't stand. Take another look at the
statement above, "we're talking human lives here", as if nurses are
something special, somehow "better" than web designers, enginners or even
surgeons. I found something else. By the way, "skf", I can't think of any
profession that does not affect human lives. Nurses have no monopoly on
martyrdom or self-righteousness.

Earle
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Candide
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 12, 2005 5:56 am    Post subject: Re: College/degree advice requested Reply with quote

"skf" <sharon@6000gp.com> wrote in message
news:11ak6g8d54tg3e9@news.supernews.com...
Quote:
Good advice Candide,
it's amazing to me that someone would pursue nursing because "they are
bored
with their current job", and because employment prospects might seem
good.
It's not like the profession is web design or something, we're talking
human
lives here.

No more stranger than persons spending several years obtaining a nursing
degree, passing the boards then quitting a few months into their
orientation because they "don't like to be around sick people". You
can't make this stuff up folks.

Candide
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skf
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 10, 2005 8:55 pm    Post subject: Re: College/degree advice requested Reply with quote

Good advice Candide,
it's amazing to me that someone would pursue nursing because "they are bored
with their current job", and because employment prospects might seem good.
It's not like the profession is web design or something, we're talking human
lives here.

"Candide" <PityMePines@anywhere.com> wrote in message
news:XJ1pe.8801$%23.6247@trndny02...
Quote:






"NeverBob" <neverbob@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1118067756.200185.106120@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
I have gotten a bit bored in my current job (it happens) and I'm
thinking about going back to school. I have a BA in Psychology, with a
minor in Criminal Justice.

I am looking at completing a science degree now - majoring in CJ would
give me a BS, but I wouldn't learn much more in that field and it
wouldn't open a lot of doors.

So I'm looking into accounting (yeah, I cringed when I typed it too),
and the medical profession. I have experience with the latter, both
familial and personal, but was wondering what you folks knew and
thought about two specific degrees - Registered Nurse and Medical
Technologist.


Technically speaking one does not receive a degree in "Registered
Nursing", but either a Bachelor of Science or Associate degree in
nursing. It is the license issued by a state board which makes one a
"RN". Graduates of nursing programs are only graduate nurses until
issued a license.


From what I've seen, the pay is similar, but the demand for RNs is
much
higher. I'm not sure about the educational requirements or the actual
positions.

Any assistance or information will be appreciated.

Requirements for licensure will vary from state to state. Nursing
programs will vary depending upon such things as type of program (AAS
or BSN), state requirements for granting degrees and state board
requirements for those seeking licensure. You can contact your state's
board of nursing to find out more information, and also research local
nursing programs to gain an idea of what is available/required in your
area.

While there is a "shortage" of nurses, it should be mentioned the
shortage is acute in hospital settings, and not everyone has it within
them to do bedside nursing. Leaving aside the educational requirements
, one must consider simple things as where your hands will go and what
you will be called upon to do working in hospital setting.

My standard advice for years has been and will always be for those
considering a career in nursing to do some volunteer work at a local
hospital. Or even better become a nursing assistant, some states will
require certification which means taking a course. Exposure to actually
what nurse's do is the best indicator IMHO if one has it within them to
join the ranks. It also gives one the opportunity to gain first hand
experience and make an informed decision rather than just relying on
other people's views.


Candide
"Never keep up with the Joneses. Drag them down to your level. It's
cheaper."
Quentin Crisp 1908 - 1999
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Mortimer Schnerd, RN
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 07, 2005 7:49 am    Post subject: Re: College/degree advice requested Reply with quote

guarnot wrote:
Quote:
How do requirements for RN licensure (for a new, US-educated RN) vary
from state to state? Graduation from an approved/accredited nursing
school, a passing score on the NCLEX...what else did you have in mind
when you wrote this?


One state (I think it's North Dakota) requires a BSN. Any of the others will
accept a nursing diploma or an associate degree.



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Candide
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 07, 2005 4:28 am    Post subject: Re: College/degree advice requested Reply with quote

"guarnot" <guarnot@aol.com> wrote in message
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Quote:
How do requirements for RN licensure (for a new, US-educated RN) vary
from state to state? Graduation from an approved/accredited nursing
school, a passing score on the NCLEX...what else did you have in mind
when you wrote this?

The laws some states still have on their books regarding moral
character, minimum age, high school diploma, etc.

Candide
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guarnot
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 07, 2005 3:43 am    Post subject: Re: College/degree advice requested Reply with quote

How do requirements for RN licensure (for a new, US-educated RN) vary
from state to state? Graduation from an approved/accredited nursing
school, a passing score on the NCLEX...what else did you have in mind
when you wrote this?

Candide wrote:
Quote:
Requirements for licensure will vary from state to state. Nursing
programs will vary depending upon such things as type of program (AAS
or BSN), state requirements for granting degrees and state board
requirements for those seeking licensure. You can contact your state's
board of nursing to find out more information, and also research local
nursing programs to gain an idea of what is available/required in your
area.
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Kurt Ullman
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 06, 2005 8:28 pm    Post subject: Re: College/degree advice requested Reply with quote

In article <XJ1pe.8801$%23.6247@trndny02>, "Candide"
<PityMePines@anywhere.com> wrote:

Quote:
Technically speaking one does not receive a degree in "Registered
Nursing", but either a Bachelor of Science or Associate degree in
nursing. It is the license issued by a state board which makes one a
"RN". Graduates of nursing programs are only graduate nurses until
issued a license.
Just as an aside... Indiana, and I think many others, have done

away with GN designation. Since you can pretty much do the test the
day after graduation, they don't see any reason to mess with it.



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an issue and is insufficiently apologetic about it.
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Candide
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 06, 2005 5:45 pm    Post subject: Re: College/degree advice requested Reply with quote

"NeverBob" <neverbob@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Quote:
I have gotten a bit bored in my current job (it happens) and I'm
thinking about going back to school. I have a BA in Psychology, with a
minor in Criminal Justice.

I am looking at completing a science degree now - majoring in CJ would
give me a BS, but I wouldn't learn much more in that field and it
wouldn't open a lot of doors.

So I'm looking into accounting (yeah, I cringed when I typed it too),
and the medical profession. I have experience with the latter, both
familial and personal, but was wondering what you folks knew and
thought about two specific degrees - Registered Nurse and Medical
Technologist.


Technically speaking one does not receive a degree in "Registered
Nursing", but either a Bachelor of Science or Associate degree in
nursing. It is the license issued by a state board which makes one a
"RN". Graduates of nursing programs are only graduate nurses until
issued a license.


Quote:
From what I've seen, the pay is similar, but the demand for RNs is
much
higher. I'm not sure about the educational requirements or the actual
positions.

Any assistance or information will be appreciated.

Requirements for licensure will vary from state to state. Nursing
programs will vary depending upon such things as type of program (AAS
or BSN), state requirements for granting degrees and state board
requirements for those seeking licensure. You can contact your state's
board of nursing to find out more information, and also research local
nursing programs to gain an idea of what is available/required in your
area.

While there is a "shortage" of nurses, it should be mentioned the
shortage is acute in hospital settings, and not everyone has it within
them to do bedside nursing. Leaving aside the educational requirements
, one must consider simple things as where your hands will go and what
you will be called upon to do working in hospital setting.

My standard advice for years has been and will always be for those
considering a career in nursing to do some volunteer work at a local
hospital. Or even better become a nursing assistant, some states will
require certification which means taking a course. Exposure to actually
what nurse's do is the best indicator IMHO if one has it within them to
join the ranks. It also gives one the opportunity to gain first hand
experience and make an informed decision rather than just relying on
other people's views.


Candide
"Never keep up with the Joneses. Drag them down to your level. It's
cheaper."
Quentin Crisp 1908 - 1999
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 06, 2005 12:22 pm    Post subject: College/degree advice requested Reply with quote

I have gotten a bit bored in my current job (it happens) and I'm
thinking about going back to school. I have a BA in Psychology, with a
minor in Criminal Justice.

I am looking at completing a science degree now - majoring in CJ would
give me a BS, but I wouldn't learn much more in that field and it
wouldn't open a lot of doors.

So I'm looking into accounting (yeah, I cringed when I typed it too),
and the medical profession. I have experience with the latter, both
familial and personal, but was wondering what you folks knew and
thought about two specific degrees - Registered Nurse and Medical
Technologist.

Quote:
From what I've seen, the pay is similar, but the demand for RNs is much
higher. I'm not sure about the educational requirements or the actual

positions.

Any assistance or information will be appreciated.
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