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Posted by Andromeda13 (Member # 8314) on 11 May, 2006 03:54 AM :

This is copied from the Canadian Lyme forum.
Lisa Masterson has been posting about dark field microscopes and she had
said her computer was being hacked by certain agencies which included
the US Navy.
Andromeda

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On Monday 8th May at 9.00am, Lisa Masterson, organiser of the January
2006 demonstration at the Gresham College Gulf War Syndrome lecture
by Prof Simon Wessely, was arrested.

She was "sectioned" under section 2 of the Mental Health Acts.
Two witnesses say that 3 uniformed police officers, 2 psychiatrists
and 2 social workers took Lisa away. Despite several requests from
Lisa, they would not allow her to phone a solicitor or anyone else.

She is being held in a locked ward at the Central Middlesex Hospital.
Solicitors were eventually able to visit her on Tuesday afternoon.
A close family friend confirms that they have now ordered her
confinement stating that she is mentally ill and suffering from
paranoia, due to her belief that her computer has been hacked by
various agents including the US military.

The psychiatrists refused to look at printed firewall logs and also
refused to look at any of the evidence online, including threatening
messages from many months ago and recent threats to her children.

The address of the ward is as follows, any messages of support would
be greatly appreciated and would demonstrate that Lisa is not alone.

Park Royal Centre for Mental health
Pond Ward
Central Middlesex Hospital
Acton Lane
London
NW10 4NS

Conditions at the Pond Ward are described as dirty, noisy, and
dangerous, with mixed male and female patients, many of whom are
violent. Drug therapy might soon be enforced on Lisa.>>>
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Posted by lou (Member # 81) on 11 May, 2006 08:53 AM :

How did the authorities know she was saying her computer had been hacked?

If she has an attorney, and a computer technician saw the logs, then
there should be a way to prove what she was saying. Someone with her
best interests at heart needs to safeguard that computer.

Making a claim like this does not sound like a crime to me, or something
that would end in commitment. Look at all the people who believe in
flying saucers; they are not carted off to mental institutions.

This is very odd. If the authorities wished to call attention to this
situation, they have picked a good way to do it.
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Posted by treepatrol (Member # 4117) on 11 May, 2006 01:08 PM :

http://flash.lymenet.org/ubb/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=3;t=014930

Theres the link
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Posted by Carol in PA (Member # 5338) on 11 May, 2006 06:19 PM :

This is the first of Lisa's blog entries, and explains what she
perceives to be happening.

http://tinyurl.com/pqyc6

[ 17. May 2006, 01:24 AM: Message edited by: Carol in PA ]
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Posted by treepatrol (Member # 4117) on 12 May, 2006 07:33 AM :

Shes not the only one millions of americans phone records handed over too >
Sen. Wayne Allard, R-Colo., said the NSA was using the data to analyze
calling patterns in order to detect and track suspected terrorist
activity, according to information provided to him by the White House.

“Telephone customers’ names, addresses and other personal information
have not been handed over to NSA as part of this program,” Allard said.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/12751289/

Devels winning at the moment.
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Posted by treepatrol (Member # 4117) on 12 May, 2006 07:34 AM :

Companies defend cooperation
AT&T Corp., Verizon Communications Inc. and BellSouth Corp. telephone
companies began turning over to the government records of tens of
millions of their customers’ phone calls shortly after the Sept. 11,
2001, attacks, said USA Today, citing anonymous sources it said had
direct knowledge of the arrangement

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/12751289/
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Posted by lou (Member # 81) on 12 May, 2006 09:08 AM :

This telephone records business is totally outlandish and misguided.

They had warning from an FBI official about one of the hijackers and
ignored it. If they had paid attention, they could have watched this one
guy, found out his contacts and maybe stopped the whole plot in its
tracks before 9-11.

So, now they are sifting thru massive amounts of telephone and computer
info in the slight hope of finding other terrorists? This is the gang
that couldn't shoot straight, using our money to harrass and intimidate
us. I think terrorism defense is being used to foster fascism.

Anyone read Sozhenitsyn's book "The First Circle?" In it he describes a
character who criticized Stalin in a letter to a friend, and ended up in
the gulag for years. Power corrupts. People who have it must be watched
constantly to make sure they are not using it inappropriately.

Watch what they do, not what they say.
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Posted by Yemaya (Member # 8842) on 13 May, 2006 06:28 AM :

What Country are we living in? This is unbelievable. Not only do we
haveto put up with this outrageous disease. We have to fight the
Government too.
Whats gonna happen to Lisa? [confused]
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Posted by pq (Member # 6886) on 13 May, 2006 10:43 AM :

quis custodiet ipso custodes

who shall guard the guardians?
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Posted by MagicAcorn (Member # 8786) on 13 May, 2006 12:11 PM :

Yemaya,

She is in the UK...or so they say. Whatever. You can sign up here and be
the President of the United States for all we know.

Look - there is a lot of political action being asked of everyone right
now. People are going to post things to scare and INTIMIDATE YOU INTO
staying home. That is terrorism!!!!!

Lisa could be a real danger to society as we do not even know her? Some
activists can take things too far? Who is she an activist for? Certainly
not me. Great Britian isn't known for rounding up citizens without
probable cause. She had to bring attention to herself somehow? I'm not
taking the bait here.

We have real battles to fight in our own country. Gulf War Syndrome
being of any interest to someone in England is odd in and of itself?

This post has nothing to do with anything we should be concerned about.

Stay on point folks....Dr's being helped, and June 2nd, etc.
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Posted by dontlikeliver (Member # 4749) on 13 May, 2006 12:24 PM :

Why would it be odd for anyone in the UK to be interested in Gulf War
Syndrome?

I am just curious why you say that MagicAcorn, as UK soldiers were
affected just like US soldiers in the first Iraq war.

The battles in the UK are as 'real' as in the US, and that goes for the
whole political Lyme situation as well. In fact, it is probably worse in
the UK.
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Posted by MagicAcorn (Member # 8786) on 13 May, 2006 12:51 PM :

As a dual citizen from that part of planet I'm very qualified to my opinion.

My comments were meant fot Yemaya because she just responded without
even understanding the post.

No one knows what's going on here so there is no need to turn this into
an ugly OFF TOPIC back and forth.
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Posted by kelmo (Member # 8797) on 13 May, 2006 05:52 PM :

I agree, let's not get off topic by bringing the current politics into
this. You're right, we don't know anything about her. Is there anyone
here who knows her first hand?

I did a google search on Lisa and it seems she has been fighting this
battle since 1993 when her children where removed from her after they
fell ill to a mysterious ailment. She pursued it as Lyme

When you think about it, it really was the period of revelation of
Munschhausen by Proxy (sp?). Some valid, some not.

http://www.indymedia.org.uk/en/regions/world/2003/09/277841.html

So, her connection to the UK seems legit.

As a mother, I know I must've come off as a nutcase as I paraded my
daughter from specialist to specialist hoping for a diagnosis that had
teeth. It took diligence and the internet research to find a doctor who
could treat her.

Let's not even go into the education issue! Teachers were so cruel to my
daughter as we struggled to find a reason for her pain.

So, beware of mothers with sick children!

If this is legitimate, and she was arrested for being a Lyme activist,
we should rethink how we can create more awareness.

I know my LLMD will put anything but Lyme on his reports. For the
public, my daughter has fibromyalgia, but he is treating the bartonella.
Fibro is so widespread, it doesn't evoke much attention any more.

Kelly
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Posted by NP40 (Member # 6711) on 13 May, 2006 06:27 PM :

quote:Originally posted by MagicAcorn:
As a dual citizen from that part of planet I'm very qualified to my
opinion.

My comments were meant fot Yemaya because she just responded
without even understanding the post.

No one knows what's going on here so there is no need to turn this
into an ugly OFF TOPIC back and forth.

Off Topic ? This particular thread is about Lisa Masterson. Now, I
personally don't know her and can't testify to her validity one way or
the other. I've seen her posts regarding lyme many, many times. I've
always found them well thought out and written.

Her frequent writings are hardly the work of someone unstable. As for
the UK, much like America, their essentially becoming a police state.
Governments have historically looked for ways to ensnare their populace
and they're now doing it under the banner of the "war on Terrorism".

Nothing new here, history show's this behavior among goverments
repeatedly. As an outspring of this ensnarement the UK passed a law
allowing people to be "sectioned". Essentially, allowing citizens to be
whisked away under a vague mental health standard.

The old Soviet Union employed this practice to millions of it's
citizens. Essentially, it's used as a tool to intimidate and harass any
governmental opposition into submission.

American lawmakers recently passed a law allowing schools to screen
children for "mental health" problems. This is not a voluntary program
but one that is mandatory.

Of course the pharmaceutical company's stand to make billions
prescribing dangerous, non-effective drugs to school age children. What
if parents refuse to medicate their children ?

Just ask parents around the country who've refused to give their
children ritalin, which is a FDA classified level 2 drug. [Same as cocaine]
Children can be summarliy taken from their parents and parents can be
jailed for refusing court-ordered drug therapy.

Many children with lyme have been "sectioned" in the UK. Of course, most
doctor's there refuse to believe it even exists so extremely ill
children are ripped from their parents and institutionalized while
suffering from horrific lyme symptoms. Of course, their diagnosed with a
wide range of mental illness's, just like here in America.

These UK "sectioned" children with lyme have been thrown into pools
while experiencing lyme paralysis, to shock their system into responding
from their so-called "self-induced" psychosis. Of course the children
are terrified that they'll drown because the lyme has hampered their
extremity movement.

Another favorite of these sadists is to run with wheelchair confined
children and abruptly stop, hoping that the children will then move
their extremities to brace their fall. This is documented fact.

If the health authorities in the UK are willing to go to such lemgths
against children do you really have any doubt that they'll go to
whatever lengths to silence an adult activist ?
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Posted by NP40 (Member # 6711) on 13 May, 2006 06:38 PM :

Just wanted to add. The UK doctor that was the original discoverer of
"Munchausen by Proxy" syndrome has been recently outed as a total fraud
and stripped of his license to practice.

The UK is now moving away from "Munchausen by Proxy" syndrome. However,
here in America this so-called "syndrome" is used regularly by doctor's
to thwart mother's looking for medical care for their children.
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Posted by seibertneurolyme (Member # 6416) on 13 May, 2006 06:52 PM :

Many may not be aware that some states in the U.S. can put someone in a
psych ward against their will for up to 72 hours if police receive a
report that the person is considered a danger to themselves or others.

Hubby's first psych admit in Florida was under the so-called "Baker
Act". This is a state law in Florida. Hotel called police when he
started arguing with me -- noise disturbance.

My sister had gone out to get gas in the car before we tried driving on
to a doc appointment several hours away. Hubby did admit he wished to
harm himself and ended up in a strait jacket.

At that point we had no diagnosis and he had been sick about 4 months I
think. I didn't try to fight the psych admission as I didn't know what
to do or where to turn to -- had already seen around 30 docs plus
numerous ER visits.

Psychotropic meds temporarily stabilized some symptoms, but I believe in
the end this only confused diagnosis even more and it took 2 years to
get him off the meds.

Don't know how many states have similar laws to Florida, but I am prety
sure there are others.

Bea Seibert
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Posted by pq (Member # 6886) on 14 May, 2006 12:09 AM :

may the infected-fleas of 1000 camels infest the blls of the low-lifes.
[lol]
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Posted by dontlikeliver (Member # 4749) on 14 May, 2006 02:41 AM :

Thanks for clarifying that MagicAcorn, then you know that UK soldiers
got Gulf War Syndrome just like US ones did, and that there has been
MUCH talk about it in the UK.

So, that's why I wondered why you'd say that it is odd that anyone in
the UK would be interested in Gulf War Syndrome. Lots of people are.

From one dual citizen to another.

DLL
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Posted by MagicAcorn (Member # 8786) on 14 May, 2006 08:43 AM :

Uhhhhh....no. That's not what I meant, DDL.

Imagine my total amazement at meeting another dual citizen on just this
very thread????
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Posted by Andromeda13 (Member # 8314) on 14 May, 2006 09:15 AM :

Lisa is a real person, she had all the trouble with her "fabricated and
Induced illness" in 2003.
The Munchausen's by Proxy name was changed round about that time to FII,
after the Professor Meadow who invented it was being hauled before the
GMC because he'd got his facts so wrong.

I just spoke to a writer and journalist who told me that literally
thousands of kids in the UK have been taken from their parents, either
because the kids have ME (= CFS)or Lyme. She said that Lisa is under a
gagging order, so has never gone public about her own case. Instead she
has tried to do as much to bring the general situation into the open, in
the hope that it might help her one day, as well as everyone else in the
Lyme world.

The journalist warned me to be careful to not mention Lisa's surname in
public in case it is deemed to be breaking the gagging order.

But the present case has nothing really to do with that, apart from the
fact that L was obviously (wrongly)diagnosed in the past as a mentally
ill person who had the delusion that several people in one family had
all got Lyme at the same time, and in the UK this was something that was
seen as beyond all possibilities.

God knows what went on in 2003, because it's now all under the Family
laws, and cannot be mentioned in case it is deleterious for the kids.

I asked the journalist if there was a way of doing something to help,
like starting an e-petition, but she is undecided, in case it makes
matters worse re the Family Laws gagging order.

Someone , a social worker I believe, but I might be wrong, thought that
Lisa must be insane to say that the US militery was hacking her
computer, but there was also a horrible message on the group called
Scimedlyme which seemed to threaten her kids, which she showed to the
social worker and the police about a week before she got arrested/sectioned.
I hope I've got this down correctly, but anyway, the whole thing stinks
because L is as sane as anyone, it's obviously all connected to the past.

The ME world were getting to know of L because she started a committee
in January 2006 called "gulfwarsyndrome/ME for real" and held a protest
outside a college in London. The psychiatrist who was giving a lecture
there was Simon Wessely.
He has been used to discredit all of the diseases like GWS and CFS over
the last 20 years as being unreal diseases, just all due to stress and
the modern age. ( a really clever chap, I don't think)

He was very involved with the beginnings of quackwatch when it was
called something else, and it's in a book by Martin Walker called
"Skewed", sorry I cannot remember all of the details.

There was a website at the time, don't know if it's still there, called
something like
www.gwsme4real.org or .net? Hasn't come up on google, will try and find
out more.

BW,
A
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Posted by NP40 (Member # 6711) on 14 May, 2006 12:37 PM :

By all means keep us posted on Lisa's status and let us know if lymenet
members can help.

A gag order on top of having your children removed ? Wow, the fascists
running the UK have really covered their bases haven't they ? Yank your
ill children away and then prevent the parents from voicing their opinion.

Of course, the Iraq war and Blair in particular are about as popular in
the UK as the war and Bush are here, which is practically no support at all.

No matter, delusional, narcissistic men like these are only beholden to
power and money. They long ago lost any capacity to feign concern for
their fellow man.
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Posted by meg (Member # 22) on 14 May, 2006 01:32 PM :

Let me get this straight, she lives in the UK or possibly Canada and the
US Government is harassing her? WHY? What am I missing here?

One thing I do know is that the nasties on SciMed have been harassing
her for years--they've tried it here with us. So couldn't they
manipulate this to look like it comes from somewhere else? Computer
hacker on their side?

I can't even imagine the nightmare of having your children taken from you.

[ 17. May 2006, 11:32 AM: Message edited by: meg ]
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Posted by lou (Member # 81) on 14 May, 2006 01:34 PM :

Wesseley is definitely a weasel.
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Posted by DR. Wiseass (Member # 6777) on 15 May, 2006 06:10 PM :

OH @#$% !!!

I'm just now reading this.

I just spoke with Lisa on the phone a few weeks ago - we talked at
length about her computer being hacked.

I've emailed a bit & talked on the phone with Lisa on/off for at least
the last year. We may go for a long time without talking - but when we
do chat - we usually have marathon phone sessions....and since she IS
calling from the UK, I can only imagine what her phone bill has been!

While her stories somtime seem outragenous - Lisa also seems extremely
SANE to me.

I really think her heart has been in the right place, and she is being
screwed by various entities & individuals because she's dared to buck
the system and speak out.

Apparently the UK doesn't have the same kinds of freedoms that we in the
US seem to believe we have.

I'm really shocked about this and about in tears.

Andromeda - would you mind PMing me or emailing me? It seems you have
lots of info.

Do you know anything more? Can people send her messages or contact her
in any way?

I just can't believe this.

I don't know what else to say.

This isn't right! It's just not @#$%ing right!
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Posted by treepatrol (Member # 4117) on 16 May, 2006 08:51 AM :

Shes pretty smart cookie for them to be going after her anyway they can.

sorry about that dl

[ 16. May 2006, 10:35 AM: Message edited by: treepatrol ]
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Posted by dontlikeliver (Member # 4749) on 16 May, 2006 09:15 AM :

Treepatrol,

I believe that is the site of Kathleen Dickson and not Lisa Masterson.
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Posted by ChrisBtheLymie (Member # 8916) on 17 May, 2006 06:02 AM :

I read a few of her articles, surely there is more behind this? They are
not allowed to lock her up for saying the U.S Navy hacked her P.C...

[ 20. May 2006, 07:27 AM: Message edited by: ChrisBtheLymie ]
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Posted by pq (Member # 6886) on 20 May, 2006 01:22 AM :

up
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Posted by Yemaya (Member # 8842) on 20 May, 2006 02:24 PM :

Magic Acorn,
I take offense to your post. I am not Stupid I do know how to read. I
know exactly what is going on in this post. [cussing]

I really don't care if George W. is posting here or not. Our Government
is not perfect. We don't just live in this Country. We live in this
World. So we should be concerned with whats going on all over it.

Especially since this Country has its nose stuck in so many other
Countries Interests.

What I meant by my post is the fact that we can't get any recognition on
this Disease. That we are fighting the Insurance Companies, the CDC,
FDA, & Social Security Disability,
( Government Agencies ) all on one level or another.

Nothing is being done to help us. If we weren't in a fight with these
agencies we would not need activists like Lisa.

You openly admitted that you don't know anything about Lisa.

Well I don't know much either, but I do see her as a sister who is
suffering from this outrageous disease. Who is trying to get some
recognition for it. Who may have been harrassed for being out spoken
about it & other things.

Who now is being called crazy and punished for it. Well I sympathize
with her. My own mother is going around telling everyone that I am
crazy, because of this damn disease.

So I think Lisa at leasts deserves our support, for not being afraid to
speak her mind. So lets get back to the main topic of this post in the
first place.

Love, Light, & Healing,
Yemaya
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Posted by cave76 (Member # 835) on 21 May, 2006 10:07 AM :

I don't know all the facts about Lisa, but I do know that people who are
outspoken and make waves do get ostracized, or worse.

And sometimes the smarter or *closer to the bone* they
are...........(talking science and politics, not conspiracy, since I
know nothing about conspiracy theories.)

Google Kathleen Dickson and Lyme. A classic example. Did she go a bit
*over the top*? Maybe. But it sounds as if she might have had reason to.

Just my opinion.
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Posted by pigwit (Member # 9059) on 21 May, 2006 10:19 PM :

I have empathy for Lisa.

I joined the military during the Viet Nam war, I was told that the
"Agency" I was enlisting in was not even in Viet Nam. Once enlisted, I
learned that it was there, but the information was just classified. In
fact, the first American serviceman killed in Viet Nam had the same type
of job (MOS) that I had. Various additional things happened to further
damage my confidence in the government telling the truth. It doesn't
seem to be getting any better.

I have worked extensively providing therapy to foster kids and learned
that advocating too strongly for families damaged my career. I also have
a background of evaluating people for emergency detention or civil
commitment. I felt I had to be careful advocating very strongly for a
few people caught up in the system.

It is scary writing this. For the moment, it may give me a little more
sense of purpose. I don't want Lisa to feel she is all alone.

Pigwit
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Posted by MagicAcorn (Member # 8786) on 21 May, 2006 11:03 PM :

Yemaya,

Why you take offense to no one knowing exactly what's is going on I have
no idea.

I'm not only a sister, I am a mother of a kid with lyme disease and I DO
take offense at your considering me anything less....especially since I
reminded everyone to stay on point, support our doctors, and to go to
the rally on June 2nd.

I'm not the enemy here.
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Posted by Yemaya (Member # 8842) on 22 May, 2006 04:21 AM :

Andromeda13 do you have anymore news on what is happening with L? Please
keep us informed. Especially on anything we can do to help.

My thoughts and Good energy are with her.

I am sorry to all of you to bring my earlier rant to the Board. Magic
Acorn I PMed you.

Hope everyone is hanging in there.

Love, Light, & Healing, [group hug]
Yemaya

[ 22. May 2006, 10:55 PM: Message edited by: Yemaya ]
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Posted by Andromeda13 (Member # 8314) on 22 May, 2006 01:51 PM :

It's so difficult to know what to do to help.
Communication with the hospital is difficult but I did manage to reach
Lisa on the patients' corridor phone this morning, it had been not
working for most of last week.

Lisa said to thank everyone who is thinking of her and praying for her,
and she has had some cards delivered.

The worst thing is that her mother died last night at 10pm, but she had
been very ill for the last week or so in hospital and Lisa was expecting
the end would be soon.
She had been allowed to visit her mother during the afternoon on Sunday,
and was only thankful that she was under very good pain control and not
really conscious for the last hours of her life.

The tribunal when she can ask for a second opinion was set for Monday
(today) but has now been postponed. She thinks it will probably be later
this week.

Lisa said that several people had faxed information to the consultant
and the solicitor.
An ILADS doctor had sent information and a character reference.

It seems that faxes are a good way to get information there. If you PM
me, I now have the fax numbers for the ward, the consultant and the lawyers.

If anyone would like to see the things Lisa wrote recently, there are
links on www.lymeblog.com, on the article that's about the 6th one down
on the news page.

It is significant that Lisa was the most prominent organiser of the
rally/demonstration against a psychiatrist Simon Wessely in January this
year.

Lisa did say that two of the more junior psychiatrists on the ward were
actually listening to her. They had only ever heard of Lyme disease as a
very rare disease, and did not think we have it in Britain, but they
were beginning to get interested. If only they knew that the actual
conservative figures are 2000 cases a year, and this is probably a huge
underestimation.

It seems strange that when the tribunal does actually take place, it
will be a sane person trying to educate ignorant doctors about a disease
which could be causing about a quarter of their other patients' illnesses.
Surely psychiatrists should all be aware that neuroborreliosis is a
differential diagnosis now in mental illness? So they should therefore
know a bit more about it by now?

Perhaps if some more knowlegable people could briefly summarise the
whole situation with Lyme on an A4 fax, then some spark of light would
get through to the doctors.

One ILADS doctor has already done this, you'd think it would be enough,
but who knows what the consultant is thinking. is she just dismissing
everything she receives?
Lisa said this consultant did not know what the term computer hacking meant.
And the consultant also said that the ex-Lyme officer of the NIH, Dr
McSweegan, only existed in Lisa's imagination.
Consultant psychiatrists are paid about £90,000 to £100,000 a year,
that's about $200,000.

Best wishes
Andromeda13
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Posted by DR. Wiseass (Member # 6777) on 22 May, 2006 10:59 PM :

Andromeda --

Thank you for the update. I hope you gave Lisa my love & told her I am
praying for her.

I've made a few phone calls today and am waiting on some returns.

I think what we, as an INTERNATIONAL LYME COMMUNITY need to do is
brainstorm about ways we could go about helping Lisa in the event that
the tribunal (hearing) does not go well for her.

I haven't the slightest idea what to do when someone is held under false
pretenses - but there MUST be some kind of HUMAN RIGHTS action that we
can start on her behalf?!! Isn't there?

Am I just painfully naive??

I have known Lisa for greater than a year. She is a British citizen. She
is sane. And she has been through some unbelieveable - yet real -
circumstances all because she has this little disease we call Lyme, and
she has not been willing to stay silent about it.

She has spoken out with a courage that most of us will never know. She
has tried to shine a light on some of the darkness that surrounds this
illness and for that, she is now imprisoned in a filthy mental asylum
where her shoes are falling apart because of having to wade thru urine
day after day.

I can not fathom the conditions she is enduring -- all because her heart
told her she could not stay silent.

And I think what we all need to remember is that if it were not for the
grace of God - there go you or I!

We HAVE to think of how we can support each other in circumstances such
as this - regardless of the land we call home.

Does anyone have any ideas - any know=how? Any ties to the media?

I am so upset by this and feel so powerless to help Lisa; but I refuse
to believe that together we couldn't have enough power to make a difference.

Any ideas? Anybody? Please!
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Posted by NP40 (Member # 6711) on 22 May, 2006 11:31 PM :

Andromeda, perhaps you could post those fax numbers in this link ? No
malicious faxes but one's that show convincing evidence of the existence
of lyme may help. Perhaps even support letters ?

Many times in situations like these when authority is under the
microscope and many people are taking interest, they often backdown. If
they can pull lymies off of the street in the UK then how long before it
comes here ?

You stand together or fall separately.
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Posted by seibertneurolyme (Member # 6416) on 22 May, 2006 11:39 PM :

Found something very disturbing to me when I searched PubMed for Lyme
and McSweegan -- This is what makes this an international issue and
could directly affect us all.

Bea Seibert
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1: Nature. 2006 Mar 16;440(7082):278. Related Articles, Links

Comment on:
Nature. 2006 Feb 2;439(7076):524-5.

Lyme vaccine demonized by advocacy groups.

McSweegan E.

Publication Types:
Comment
Letter

PMID: 16541048 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

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Correspondence
Nature 440, 278 (16 March 2006) | doi:10.1038/440278b

Lyme vaccine demonized by advocacy groups
Edward McSweegan1

Maryland USA

Sir:
As a microbiologist who managed a federal programme on Lyme disease in
the 1990s, I consider that any new clinical trials of a vaccine
candidate based on the protein OspA, as mentioned in your News Feature
"Uphill struggle" (Nature 439, 524–525; 2006), should be confined to
Europe, for three reasons.

First, Lyme disease is non-communicable, readily treatable with common
antibiotics and geographically localized in the United States.
Neurological cases — where treatment can be problematic — are more
common in Europe and a new vaccine may reduce the costs and consequences
of infection.

Second, European experience with the widely used tick-borne encephalitis
virus (TBEV) vaccine may facilitate vaccine-trial recruitment and
greater public acceptance of a new Lyme vaccine.

Third, Europe is a less litigious environment and is largely free of
organized Lyme-patient advocacy groups. In the United States, activists
have turned Lyme disease into everyone's backyard bogeyman. They have
demonized experts for their views on treatment and prevention, and hired
lawyers to successfully argue the dangers of vaccine-induced
autoimmunity (Philadelphia Inquirer B03, July 9 2003).

The activists are already using Internet discussion groups to warn
against a new vaccine. One of them recently wrote "I would encourage all
Lyme patients to consider writing letters, emphasizing the lack of
demand for the last vaccine, and also the fact that any future vaccines
can expect a lack of cooperation, protests, legal quagmires, etc."

A careful, hysteria-free trial of the new OspA vaccine in Europe may
help to undermine the opposition to it in the United States

Edward McSweegan

Nature
ISSN: 0028-0836
EISSN: 1476-4687

© 2006 Nature Publishing Group – partner of AGORA, HINARI, Cross Ref and
COUNTER

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THIS IS AN OUTRAGE!!!!!

Dr Wiseass -- Please make sure this gets to Lisa's attorney.

[ 23. May 2006, 11:58 AM: Message edited by: seibertneurolyme ]
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Posted by trails (Member # 1620) on 23 May, 2006 12:40 AM :

woah. [shake]
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Posted by treepatrol (Member # 4117) on 23 May, 2006 07:05 AM :

Once a A hole always a A hole

Hes a (_O_) & he can (_X_)
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Posted by DR. Wiseass (Member # 6777) on 23 May, 2006 10:37 AM :

Thank you for that post, Bea - I'm sure her solicitors will find it
interesting.

A few days ago I had received this letter from one of Lisa's UK
friends...and I neglected to post here for some reason.

Remember - it is now an outdated update, but there is contact info in
there. ((I will bold it for you to make it easier to find.))
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Dear friends,
I'm sorry I didn't get this to you sooner, it has been so difficult
keeping people in touch with each other, so forgive me if this is
rushed. Lisa knows that you have voiced your concerns on the net and
elsewhere, and thanks you so much.

This may be reposted.

The patients (about 40 people, male and female) have access to only one
phone on the ward, and this has not been working since Tuesday morning
or late Monday night , 15th May.

The staff have repeatedly said that a patient had cut the wires. One
wonders which of the patients had access to something sharp
enough to cut phone wires, especially worrying since many of them have
violent outbursts and attack each other frequently.

During the ward round on Tuesday 16th May, afternoon time, the head
psychiatrist Dr M. Ranger, declared that her diagnosis of Lisa was
that she had "pervasive delusional disorder", based on the fact that
Lisa believed that her computer had been hacked by the DOD of the USA,
and that she also believed Lyme disease was a potential biowarfare agent.

She prescribed Risperadol to commence on Tuesday evening. Lisa refused
the medication, and her solicitors that evening sent a fax to Dr Ranger
voicing their strong objections to this medication.

Lisa refused to take it on Wednesday evening, and will continue to do
so. However, it is within the power of the consultant to enforce the
Risperidol to be given by intramuscular injection forcibly if necessary.

That Tuesday should have seen the appeal or tribunal happen, but the
solicitors asked for a postponement. The new date for the tribunal is
now said to be Monday 22nd May.

((The tribunal was NOT held yesterday and has been postphoned...AGAIN.
Not sure of the date yet.....DR ))

Please bear in mind that the consultant psychiatrist has made her
diagnosis in the full knowledge and receipt of faxes from people,
both friends and professional aquaintances of Lisa's, who have testified
to Lisa's soundness of mind, and to the fact that there is
evidence available everywhere stating that Lyme is a potential bioweapon.

Some people have sent in their own computer firewall logs giving
evidence of similar military hacking.

Another dreadful event also taking place is the imminent death of Lisa's
dear mother, who was rushed to hospital last Friday 12th May,
with kidney failure, then heart failure. Lisa has been allowed to visit
her mother today, accompanied at all times by a mental nurse.

((Lisa's mother has now passed away, but Lisa had been allowed to see
her for a little bit that day just prior to her death....DR))

Lisa cared for and nursed her mum for many months until she was
transferred to a nursing home earlier this year. Tonight could be her
mother's last night on earth. Lisa must return
to the locked ward, with no friends or loved ones to comfort her, to
grieve alone in the tumult, filth and chaos of a mental prison.

She has now endured this mini hell for 11 days, not knowing when the
"chemical cosh" of a powerful antipsychotic drug will be forced
on her, not knowing whether she will be attacked in her sleep when she
dares to fall asleep, not knowing either whether tears of grief will be
seen as a sign of mental illness and depression.

In the days of Soviet Russia, Haloperidol was the favourite drug of
choice used to silence political prisoners. Now in Britain, a country
I once believed to be a free democracy and a cradle of civilisation, the
new tool of repression appears to be Risperidol. I haven't looked up its
side effects yet, I daren't.

There is a way of contacting Lisa at the ward, even though the phone is
broken. (US people have to miss out the first zero I think.)

Ward fax: 0208 955 4491

Ring the ward staff desk/office first if you want to check if the fax is
ready Their numbers are:
0208 955 4490 or 0208 955 4489

They are at liberty to censor anything they believe will hurt Lisa's
mental health.

Any really important letter or fax could be sent to the solicitors, who
will make sure that Lisa receives it.

They are called Kaim Todner, and Ronnette Prime is the person in charge
of the case.

email: mentalhealth@kaimtodner.com
the fax for them is 0207 704 2999
and their phone number is 0207 704 9292

any additional evidence to support Lisa, saying you know her as sane,
that you know of DOD and others hacking computers, that you know that
Lyme is a potential bioweapon, please send it to either the solicitors
or the ward.

The consultant Dr Ranger has her own fax number, which is 0208 961 6339
xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

I don't know what else I can do at this moment, other than keep trying
to contact Lisa herself and reassure her, and keep up contact with her
friends. There is a member of the House of Lords who has contacted the
solicitors and the consultant, and a journalist has been taking many
notes and contacting other people in the media.

Not many journalists in the UK know anything about Lyme, so they would
be a bit puzzled by all this at first.

~friend of Lisa Masterson

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I thank all of you who are taking an interest in the unjust persecution
of a fellow Lyme patient.

We MUST stick together on this. Who knows which one of us will be next
because we are "delusional" enough to believe that our own gov't has had
some dirty foxes in the henhouse.

Most of us are aware that Bb has been tinkered with as a biowarfare
agent -- but Lisa is being punished because she wanted to draw attention
to that fact.

Most of us are well aware that our gov't will now use any excuse to
justify spying, pinging, bugging, hacking or whatever else they have the
ability to do -- not only to its own citizenry - but to the citizens of
other nations.

In this post 9/11 environment, we are losing more freedoms all the time
-- and we let them slip away because we have either been duped into
believing it is the 'right' thing to do -- or we are too tired, lazy,
scared, ignorant, or ALL -- to face this Goliath that is our own govn't.

I will step off that soapbox now so as not to call too much attention to
myself.

Thank you all again for providing support for Lisa -- and PLEASE,
continue to brainstorm ideas of how we can form some kind of HUMAN
RIGHTS campaign on her behalf if the tribunal (hearing) does not go well
for her.

And most importantly, please pray that God will grant Lisa an extra
helping of courage; that she will indeed have that peace that passes
understanding; and that she will be freed and cleared of all charges.

United We Stand.

Hugs & [kiss]
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Posted by Sweegs Ghost (Member # 9292) on 23 May, 2006 10:55 AM :

I think some of you should do some research on Lisa before you make her
out to be some lyme crusader. You can see her many posts on sci.med.
lyme newsgroup or just google her name and lyme.

She had her children taken away for a reason, just like her friend
Kathleen Dickson who abused her kids and had her children taken away.
It's Kathleen's fault she is in this hospital, Kathleen pumped Lisa up
with paranoid hacking crap the weeks before her arrest on the lyme
newsgroup everyday. Kathleen had spent time in a mental hospital and
Connecticut prison for online harassment and stalking of Govt officials
here in the states. Now she is happy Lisa is taking after her in the
"insane crusade for Lyme justice".

Lisa is not innocent, she spent week's posting daily insane rants on
sci.med that many here did not see because they spend time reading
moderated dribble here on this "private" message boards. The Navy or
other Govt officals are not hacking her computer, that is just plain stupid.

You people are making her sick, not helping her. She needs to understand
that there is nobody hacking her computer and there is no lyme
conspiracy or some McSweegan guy trying to ruin her life.

The blame for what happen to Lisa all falls on Kathleen Dickson.

CPA
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Posted by trueblue (Member # 7348) on 23 May, 2006 11:02 AM :

quote:Originally posted by DR. Wiseass:
There is a way of contacting Lisa at the ward, even though the
phone is broken. (US people have to miss out the first zero I think.)*

Ward fax: 0208 955 4491

Ring the ward staff desk/office first if you want to check if the
fax is ready Their numbers are:
0208 955 4490 or 0208 955 4489

email: mentalhealth@kaimtodner.com
the fax for them is 0207 704 2999
and their phone number is 0207 704 9292

The consultant Dr Ranger has her own fax number, which is 0208 961 6339
xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

*Dr WA.
Yes, you are right, in dialing the UK from the US you must dial 011 44
and then leave out the zero and use the remainder of the number.

I believe the 011 is for an international line and the 44 the country
code. The next 4 digits are the area code and the other 6 digits the
phone number.

eg. 011 44 2089 554491 (for that first fax number listed.)

I hope that helps and doesn't confuse matters more.
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Posted by lou (Member # 81) on 23 May, 2006 11:22 AM :

"sweege's ghost" is "chuck", a well known troll on sci.med and should be
banned. Everyone should be reporting this post to the moderators. He was
banned once before but has returned under a new alias.
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Posted by Sweegs Ghost (Member # 9292) on 23 May, 2006 11:28 AM :

Lou, I am elected newsgroup leader, not some "troll". I also have no
intention of posting here anymore so save your crying.

Keep drinking the Kool Aid the lyme mafia is feeding you here.

CPA
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Posted by DR. Wiseass (Member # 6777) on 23 May, 2006 11:31 AM :

True Blue -

Thanks for the clarification about calling overseas. Actually I didn't
write that - that was from one of Lisa's friends.

But I'm sure it will be helpful to have that cleared up.

Lou -

Sweeg = McSweegan = Chuck Adams = @sshole!

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Dear Sweegs Ghost -- or shall I say Mr. Edward McSweegan?

I was wondering when you'd pop your head in over here.

Gee - what a creative username. Did it take you long to come up with
that one?

And you're from the DOD too? WOW! Impressive.

It's certainly nice of you to drop by and drop your load of steaming
crap around here. ****

What kind of fools do you take us for? We can smell BS a mile away...LD
has heightened our senses and, you sir, are a real stinker!

No disrespect intended, you know because you are from the DOD and I
wouldn't want to offend YOU - but frankly, sir, we're not interested in
what you have to say.

So if you don't mind...why don't you take your comments, kindly shove
them UP YOUR @SS, and go back & play with your little buddies over at
SciMed or the DOD or wherever they might appreciate such crap.

Hugs & [kiss]
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