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TheToothTruth
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PostPosted: Mon May 22, 2006 3:49 am    Post subject: Perioscopy as an alternative to total extraction - a case study in real time Reply with quote

Here copy of my latest blog entry on my MSN Space. You will also find
there 20 links to websites about Periodontitis including a lot of infos
about Periscopy. here the link: http://spaces.msn.com/stevehaite

The Tooth Truth

Who would ever have thought that I would write a blog entry about
teeth?! Ah well the times change and I want to share my interesting
experience and warn the world. What happened exactly?

My teeth have never been in very good condition and I do have
periodontitis and deep pockets on some of them but my previous dentist
and his dental hygienist in Switzerland treated them twice a year and
seemed to be holding the situation in check.

At my first visit to my new general dentist here in the US I was told
that things did not look good, that at least 6 teeth (4 right top, and
2 front bottom) needed to be removed and that saving the others was no
mean feat.

I started to research periodontitis on the web and at my next
appointment my denist suggested sending me to an specialist e.g. a
periodontist. By coincidence it was possible the same day due to a
cancellation and the specialist spent 3 hours examining me, explaining
his conclusions and proposing the next steps. In summary all of my
teeth need to be removed, periodontitis could in addition endanger my
heart (due to high CPR level) and shorten my life expectancy by 7-15
years and I will need implants, a bone graft and sinus rebuilding plus
a prothesis top and bottom - estimated costs approximately $80,000. My
now I was in a traumatic state and almost willing to capitulate.

Fortunately I had received a couple of interesting URLs from my
relocation specialist, and one of them was a dental hygienist who had
teamed up with a dentist and an oral surgeon and was one of the top
experts in the US at periscopy and "Non-surgical and Preventative
Periodontal Therapy". Perioscopy makes use of a technology similar to
the orthoscopic and endoscopic procedures used in medicine for many
years. The Dental Endoscope, or Perioscope™ is an extremely tiny
fiber optic camera that can go up to 14 mm beneath the gum line--a
place where no dental professional has been able to see before.

The team concluded that yes I did have to loose 6 teeth (top right at
back) but that the majority of the other teeth could be saved for many
years; there were a few where the outlook is unsure. The basic
combination of treatment suggested is as follows:

1. enzyme suppressor tablets

2. periscopy

3. emdogain

4. quarterly PMP

5. rigorous personal dental hygiene

6. combined with immediate removal of the 6 teeth and bridge top
right

7. combined with the potential later removal of teeth which cannot
be rescued


My objectives/priorities in solving this problem are very clearly as
follows:

1. avoid general health problems

I want to keep (more of) my teeth for as long as possible but NOT if it
means risking high CRP levels which could shorten my life expectancy


2. keep my teeth as long as sensibly possible

I want to keep (more of) my teeth for as long as possible but NOT if it
compromises future dental strategies e.g. due to continued bone loss
which make a future implants solution difficult, impossible or very
costly or if the future dental hygiene is so difficult that I will not
manager to keep up the level of "periscopy clean" achieved


In sharing this experience I am hoping that maybe someone out there
will read this, will improve his focus on brushing and flossing and
maybe be spared the traumatic experience that I had, not to mention the
time and effort plus the expense which are still to come.



I will keep you updated and check out my list of periodontic web links
on this MSN Space.
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Steven Bornfeld
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Joined: 28 Apr 2005
Posts: 492

PostPosted: Mon May 22, 2006 12:34 pm    Post subject: Re: Perioscopy as an alternative to total extraction - a case study in real time Reply with quote

TheToothTruth wrote:
Quote:
Here copy of my latest blog entry on my MSN Space. You will also find
there 20 links to websites about Periodontitis including a lot of infos
about Periscopy. here the link: http://spaces.msn.com/stevehaite

The Tooth Truth

Who would ever have thought that I would write a blog entry about
teeth?! Ah well the times change and I want to share my interesting
experience and warn the world. What happened exactly?

My teeth have never been in very good condition and I do have
periodontitis and deep pockets on some of them but my previous dentist
and his dental hygienist in Switzerland treated them twice a year and
seemed to be holding the situation in check.

At my first visit to my new general dentist here in the US I was told
that things did not look good, that at least 6 teeth (4 right top, and
2 front bottom) needed to be removed and that saving the others was no
mean feat.

I started to research periodontitis on the web and at my next
appointment my denist suggested sending me to an specialist e.g. a
periodontist. By coincidence it was possible the same day due to a
cancellation and the specialist spent 3 hours examining me, explaining
his conclusions and proposing the next steps. In summary all of my
teeth need to be removed, periodontitis could in addition endanger my
heart (due to high CPR level) and shorten my life expectancy by 7-15
years and I will need implants, a bone graft and sinus rebuilding plus
a prothesis top and bottom - estimated costs approximately $80,000. My
now I was in a traumatic state and almost willing to capitulate.

Fortunately I had received a couple of interesting URLs from my
relocation specialist, and one of them was a dental hygienist who had
teamed up with a dentist and an oral surgeon and was one of the top
experts in the US at periscopy and "Non-surgical and Preventative
Periodontal Therapy". Perioscopy makes use of a technology similar to
the orthoscopic and endoscopic procedures used in medicine for many
years. The Dental Endoscope, or Perioscope™ is an extremely tiny
fiber optic camera that can go up to 14 mm beneath the gum line--a
place where no dental professional has been able to see before.

The team concluded that yes I did have to loose 6 teeth (top right at
back) but that the majority of the other teeth could be saved for many
years; there were a few where the outlook is unsure. The basic
combination of treatment suggested is as follows:

1. enzyme suppressor tablets

2. periscopy

3. emdogain

4. quarterly PMP

5. rigorous personal dental hygiene

6. combined with immediate removal of the 6 teeth and bridge top
right

7. combined with the potential later removal of teeth which cannot
be rescued


My objectives/priorities in solving this problem are very clearly as
follows:

1. avoid general health problems

I want to keep (more of) my teeth for as long as possible but NOT if it
means risking high CRP levels which could shorten my life expectancy


2. keep my teeth as long as sensibly possible

I want to keep (more of) my teeth for as long as possible but NOT if it
compromises future dental strategies e.g. due to continued bone loss
which make a future implants solution difficult, impossible or very
costly or if the future dental hygiene is so difficult that I will not
manager to keep up the level of "periscopy clean" achieved


In sharing this experience I am hoping that maybe someone out there
will read this, will improve his focus on brushing and flossing and
maybe be spared the traumatic experience that I had, not to mention the
time and effort plus the expense which are still to come.



I will keep you updated and check out my list of periodontic web links
on this MSN Space.


I'm assuming that by CPR you mean C-reactive protein, which seems to be
associated with the inflammatory process. I think personally that the
link between periodontal disease on the one hand and cardiovascular and
cerebrovascular disease on the other is being oversold. You want to
keep your teeth, yes. You also wish to minimize your cardiovascular
risk--here, not smoking and monitoring blood lipids and management
through diet, exercise and medication, and controlling blood pressure
are likely to be far more important than the maintenance of a few
periodontal pockets.
I'm not personally familiar with the perioscope--sounds cool, but from
a practical matter if surgery is not being done there are many other
parameters to judge the success of therapy. If surgery is being done
the surgical field is open, and more traditional means of magnification
should be able to tell your periodontist anything he/she needs to know.

Steve
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Joel M. Eichen
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Joined: 24 Mar 2005
Posts: 4062

PostPosted: Mon May 22, 2006 1:17 pm    Post subject: Re: Perioscopy as an alternative to total extraction - a case study in real time Reply with quote

Perioscopy? Isn't that the one where you can't eat for twelve hours and
then they ... .wait a minute ....... that's something else.


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Dave King
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Joined: 05 May 2005
Posts: 92

PostPosted: Mon May 22, 2006 3:52 pm    Post subject: Re: Perioscopy as an alternative to total extraction - a case study in real time Reply with quote

On Mon, 22 May 2006 13:17:22 GMT, Joel344 <joeleichen@yahoo.com>
wrote:

Quote:

Perioscopy? Isn't that the one where you can't eat for twelve hours and
then they ... .wait a minute ....... that's something else.

I believe I have finally heard it all. Perioscopy.....good grief. Like
it is going to change therapy.
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Mark & Steven Bornfel
medicine forum Guru


Joined: 30 Apr 2005
Posts: 888

PostPosted: Mon May 22, 2006 4:11 pm    Post subject: Re: Perioscopy as an alternative to total extraction - a case study in real time Reply with quote

Dave King wrote:

Quote:
On Mon, 22 May 2006 13:17:22 GMT, Joel344 <joeleichen@yahoo.com
wrote:


Perioscopy? Isn't that the one where you can't eat for twelve hours and
then they ... .wait a minute ....... that's something else.


I believe I have finally heard it all. Perioscopy.....good grief. Like
it is going to change therapy.


Ever see "Fantastic Voyage"?

Steve

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Mark & Steven Bornfeld DDS
http://www.dentaltwins.com
Brooklyn, NY
718-258-5001
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Tony Bad
medicine forum Guru


Joined: 04 May 2005
Posts: 517

PostPosted: Mon May 22, 2006 5:41 pm    Post subject: Re: Perioscopy as an alternative to total extraction - a case study in real time Reply with quote

#5 should be #1...if you can't do the job at home, this grand plan is finger
in the dam therapy, and you are just delaying the inevitable.

periscopy...what the heck is this supposed to show them? that you have perio
disease? Seems you already know that...why make a missile shot out of it?

Just when I think I am too cynical, it turns out I am not cynical enough.

T


"TheToothTruth" <stevehaite@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1148269746.325155.45840@j55g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
The basic
combination of treatment suggested is as follows:

1. enzyme suppressor tablets

2. periscopy

3. emdogain

4. quarterly PMP

5. rigorous personal dental hygiene

6. combined with immediate removal of the 6 teeth and bridge top
right

7. combined with the potential later removal of teeth which cannot
be rescued


My objectives/priorities in solving this problem are very clearly as
follows:

1. avoid general health problems

I want to keep (more of) my teeth for as long as possible but NOT if it
means risking high CRP levels which could shorten my life expectancy


2. keep my teeth as long as sensibly possible

I want to keep (more of) my teeth for as long as possible but NOT if it
compromises future dental strategies e.g. due to continued bone loss
which make a future implants solution difficult, impossible or very
costly or if the future dental hygiene is so difficult that I will not
manager to keep up the level of "periscopy clean" achieved


In sharing this experience I am hoping that maybe someone out there
will read this, will improve his focus on brushing and flossing and
maybe be spared the traumatic experience that I had, not to mention the
time and effort plus the expense which are still to come.



I will keep you updated and check out my list of periodontic web links
on this MSN Space.
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Mark & Steven Bornfel
medicine forum Guru


Joined: 30 Apr 2005
Posts: 888

PostPosted: Mon May 22, 2006 6:23 pm    Post subject: Re: Perioscopy as an alternative to total extraction - a case study in real time Reply with quote

Tony Bad wrote:

Quote:
#5 should be #1...if you can't do the job at home, this grand plan is finger
in the dam therapy, and you are just delaying the inevitable.

periscopy...what the heck is this supposed to show them? that you have perio
disease? Seems you already know that...why make a missile shot out of it?

Just when I think I am too cynical, it turns out I am not cynical enough.

T

Agree.
However, I have to say that my colonoscopy photos were interesting.

Steve
Quote:

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Mark & Steven Bornfeld DDS
http://www.dentaltwins.com
Brooklyn, NY
718-258-5001
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TheToothTruth
medicine forum beginner


Joined: 22 May 2006
Posts: 4

PostPosted: Tue May 23, 2006 4:37 am    Post subject: Re: Perioscopy as an alternative to total extraction - a case study in real time Reply with quote

I am surprised to see that Perioscopy is not as well known as i
thought, had hoped it would be. it does not seem to be used by a lot of
dental hygienists or dentists in the US but it has achieved some
remarkable results combined with the other elements of the treament i
am considering. here the links so that i can get some more qualified
answers. thanks for Steven Bornfeld for his interesting comment.

Further information about periscopy:
http://www.dentalview.com/q_a_content/q_a.html
http://www.drscharf.com/perioscopy/index.htm
http://www.dimensionsofdentalhygiene.com/ddhright.asp?id=73

Testimonials about periscopy:
http://www.dentalview.com/clinical_content/testimonials.html

Research and clinical studies about periscopy:
http://www.dentalview.com/clinical_content/research.html
http://iadr.confex.com/iadr/2002SanDiego/techprogram/abstract_21478.htm
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TheToothTruth
medicine forum beginner


Joined: 22 May 2006
Posts: 4

PostPosted: Tue May 23, 2006 4:44 am    Post subject: Re: Perioscopy as an alternative to total extraction - a case study in real time Reply with quote

hallo steve. thanks for this very helpful and sensible reply. i
appreciate you taking my blog entry seriously and contributing to my
better understanding of my situation and my options. i am going to have
my CPR value measured by a GP this week just to check if it is too high
and so that i can see if the treatment i will have including the
tablets i am already taking, will help to improve the value. thanks.
steve.

PS check out my links on Perioscopy at bottom of this thread .it really
does seem to be a quantam leap if properly used and combined with other
methods but not many people seem well informed about it.
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jdrew63929@aol.com
medicine forum addict


Joined: 09 Feb 2005
Posts: 81

PostPosted: Tue May 23, 2006 5:03 am    Post subject: Re: Pitiful Stealing Reply with quote

TheToothTruth wrote:

<snip>

First of all there is a book titled *Tooth Truth*, by a REAL dentist.

Second whoever wrote this stole these faces from the gaming
zone on MSN.

This is a pitiful excuse of one who is stealing not only titles
but faces of others' work.

Disgusting.
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TheToothTruth
medicine forum beginner


Joined: 22 May 2006
Posts: 4

PostPosted: Wed May 24, 2006 5:44 am    Post subject: Re: Pitiful Stealing Reply with quote

hallo jan. not quite sure what you are trying to say here. i wrote an
entry on my blog a week ago which i entitled "The Tooth Truth". I
invented this title for my text and do not know and have never read the
book you are referring to. since my blog is with MSN they allow the use
of emoticons with the rich text editor (which are not IP protected
anyway) so i included this in my text. I am NOT a dentist just a simple
patient trying to understand why the diagnosis i am getting is so
varied, and trying to find out more about Periscopy before i allow
total extraction. your comments i consider to be rather misplaced. by
the way i work for MSN. thanks. steve.

PS when i first used this forum i was asked to enter a nickname so i
used the title from my blog entry. it is a nickname no more, nor less.

http://spaces.msn.com/stevehaite
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