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TC
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 Posted: Fri May 19, 2006 4:36 pm Post subject:
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http://www.heraldnet.com/stories/06/05/18/100wir_a4vitamins001.cfm
Feds question vitamins' vitality
A study finds little evidence to support the health claims of
multivitamins.
Associated Press
WASHINGTON - More than half of U.S. adults use multivitamins, yet
there's little evidence that most of the pills do any good, and concern
that some people may even get a risky vitamin overload, advisers to the
government said Wednesday.
Worried about bottles that promise 53 times the recommended daily
consumption of certain nutrients, specialists convened by the National
Institutes of Health called Wednesday for strengthened federal
oversight of the $23 billion dietary supplement industry, especially
efforts to pin down side effects.
For the average healthy American, there's simply not enough evidence to
tell if taking vitamins is a good or bad idea, said Dr. Michael
McGinnis of the Institute of Medicine, who led the NIH panel's review.
"We don't know a great deal," he said, calling for more rigorous
research.
Moreover, McGinnis added, "The product with which we're dealing is
virtually unregulated," meaning there are even questions about how the
bottles' labels convey what's really inside.
Vitamins and minerals, often packaged together, are the most-used
dietary supplements, and widely assumed to be safe. After all, vitamins
naturally occur in some of the healthiest foods, and vitamin
deficiencies have been known to be dangerous since scurvy's link to a
lack of fruits and vegetables was discovered centuries ago.
The NIH panel concluded the people most likely to have nutrient
deficiencies are the least likely to use multivitamins.
There are only a few proven disease-preventing supplements, the NIH
panel concluded:
* Women of childbearing age should take folic acid supplements to
prevent spina bifida and related birth defects.
* Calcium and vitamin D together protect the bones of postmenopausal
women.
* Antioxidants and zinc may slow the worsening of the blinding disease
called age-related macular degeneration.
On the other hand, smokers should avoid taking beta-carotene
supplements, because the pills can increase their risk of lung cancer,
the report stresses.
For other vitamins, concern arises mainly with super doses that exceed
the government's "recommended daily amount," or RDA. Between 1 percent
and 11 percent of supplement users may be exceeding the upper limits
set for certain nutrients, if they add together their doses from pills
and their diets, said Cornell University nutritionist Patsy Brannon.
Too much niacin can damage the liver. Among other examples, too much
vitamin A can cause birth defects, and too much vitamin E can cause
bleeding problems. Some vitamins also can interact dangerously with
medications, and doctors should ask their patients what they take, the
NIH panel said.
If you choose to take vitamins, use those labeled with 100 percent of
the RDA or "daily value," advised Brannon. Together with a good diet,
that would provide most people plenty without getting near the upper
limit.
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Funding Priorities at the IOM
http://www.iom.edu/CMS/3239/33048.aspx
Unrestricted Annual Fund Support
The IOM's body of work and the values that guide its
operations--independence, objectivity, expertise, and grounding in
evidence--are unmatched. While many of the Institute's studies are
requested and funded by the federal government, the IOM relies on ***
private funding *** for other initiatives that are essential for
advancing and disseminating scientific knowledge to improve human
health.
Unrestricted Annual Fund support helps advance our work in areas such
as measuring and improving the quality of health care, uninsurance,
childhood obesity, and health literacy. *** Private funding *** enables
the IOM to pursue these and other significant opportunities, to lead
meaningful change in the nation's health care system, and to improve
health nationally and globally.
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The Kellogg Health of the Public Fund
The W.K. Kellogg Foundation has committed $2.5 million in a challenge
grant to the IOM to help the Institute extend the impact of its work.
The Kellogg Health of the Public Fund enables the Institute to expand
its outreach by:
Partnering with public health organizations at the local level to help
implement recommendations from IOM studies;
Supporting the production of shorter, easy-to-read publications that
distill IOM reports into summaries for broader audiences;
Improving electronic dissemination of IOM products; and
Convening community leaders and stakeholders in an effort to involve
more people at the local level and to build local capacity for informed
decision making on critical healthcare issues.
The Kellogg Foundation challenges the IOM to secure additional
commitments of $2.5 million through October 31, 2006. The Foundation
will then match those funds dollar for dollar, for an additional $2.5
million--resulting in a $7.5 million fund.
Thanks to Kellogg's generosity and that of IOM members and
supporters, the Institute has an extraordinary opportunity to reach new
audiences, to build new relationships, and to build local capacity, all
of which simply would not be possible without this substantial support.
Goal: $2.5 million in gifts and pledges by October 31, 2006
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monty1945@lycos.com
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They are so hopeless that if you are listening to such people you are
in serious trouble. It is fairly easy to have an imbalance of
electrolyte minerals. I "cured" myself of "idiopathic PVC's" with
magensium citrate, for example. Even the textbooks talk about how much
of a problem such imbalances can be, listening to such people will
likely mean ill health and a not-so-free ticket into the biomedical
meat-grinder establishment. Do your own research and make your own
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Heather
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| Posted: Thu May 25, 2006 3:49 pm Post subject:
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| Quote: | Feds question vitamins' vitality
A study finds little evidence to support the health claims of
multivitamins
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Dr. Michael McGinnis says:
"there's simply not enough evidence to tell if taking vitamins
is a good or bad idea" and "We don't know a great deal"
Well, if he knows so little about the subject, or if he can't
figure out who benefits, and who doesn't benefit from
supplementation, why is he in charge of the NIH panel? |
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Mr-Natural-Health
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TC wrote:
Don't you read what you are posting, TC?
W.K. Kellogg was the brother of John Harvey Kellogg. Will started the
Breakfast Cereal Gold Rush by commercialising Corn Flakes. He is the
founder of the Kellogg breakfast cereal company. These people were
selling boxes of this stuff that cost next to nothing to produce for
real money. W.K. Kellogg became a multi-millionaire overnight.
Who do you think put grains at the bottom of the USDA Food Guide
Pyramid if it was not the likes of W.K. Kellogg?
Let us face it, TC, you are as big an idiot as they come (pun
intended).
Ha, ... Hah, Ha!
You have my condolences for champing the King of the health benefits of
eating grains for breakfast. |
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TC
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| Posted: Thu May 25, 2006 9:14 pm Post subject:
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Mr. Natural-Health wrote:
| Quote: | TC wrote:
The W.K. Kellogg Foundation has committed $2.5 million in a challenge
grant to the IOM to help the Institute extend the impact of its work.
http://www.wkkf.org/default.aspx?tabid=78&NID=68&LanguageID=0
Don't you read what you are posting, TC?
W.K. Kellogg was the brother of John Harvey Kellogg. Will started the
Breakfast Cereal Gold Rush by commercialising Corn Flakes. He is the
founder of the Kellogg breakfast cereal company. These people were
selling boxes of this stuff that cost next to nothing to produce for
real money. W.K. Kellogg became a multi-millionaire overnight.
Who do you think put grains at the bottom of the USDA Food Guide
Pyramid if it was not the likes of W.K. Kellogg?
Let us face it, TC, you are as big an idiot as they come (pun
intended).
Ha, ... Hah, Ha!
You have my condolences for champing the King of the health benefits of
eating grains for breakfast.
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Hmmmm.
1) I post a report about the absurdity of a group of medical "experts"
are questioning the essentiality of nutrients that are essential by
definition, and
2) then I point out that these "experts" are connected by money to a
major player in the food industry that has a history of producing some
of the the most nutrient-deficient food marketted to man, ie. grains,
(whole and refined)
and out of that, you somehow think that I am supportive of it???????
And you call *me* an idiot........
Go eat a banana, you brain-damaged dim-bulb.
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Mr-Natural-Health
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TC wrote:
| Quote: | Mr. Natural-Health wrote:
TC wrote:
The W.K. Kellogg Foundation has committed $2.5 million in a challenge
grant to the IOM to help the Institute extend the impact of its work.
http://www.wkkf.org/default.aspx?tabid=78&NID=68&LanguageID=0
Don't you read what you are posting, TC?
W.K. Kellogg was the brother of John Harvey Kellogg. Will started the
Breakfast Cereal Gold Rush by commercialising Corn Flakes. He is the
founder of the Kellogg breakfast cereal company. These people were
selling boxes of this stuff that cost next to nothing to produce for
real money. W.K. Kellogg became a multi-millionaire overnight.
Who do you think put grains at the bottom of the USDA Food Guide
Pyramid if it was not the likes of W.K. Kellogg?
Let us face it, TC, you are as big an idiot as they come (pun
intended).
Ha, ... Hah, Ha!
You have my condolences for champing the King of the health benefits of
eating grains for breakfast.
Hmmmm.
1) I post a report about the absurdity of a group of medical "experts"
are questioning the essentiality of nutrients that are essential by
definition, and
2) then I point out that these "experts" are connected by money to a
major player in the food industry that has a history of producing some
of the the most nutrient-deficient food marketted to man, ie. grains,
(whole and refined)
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Gee, TC now thinks that he is Christ-on-Earth. :(
Dream on TC, you did no such thing except in your wildest dreams. |
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Mr-Natural-Health
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Mr-Natural-Health
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Re: Feds question vitamins' vitality
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TC wrote:
| Quote: | Mr. Natural-Health wrote:
TC wrote:
The W.K. Kellogg Foundation has committed $2.5 million in a challenge
grant to the IOM to help the Institute extend the impact of its work.
http://www.wkkf.org/default.aspx?tabid=78&NID=68&LanguageID=0
Don't you read what you are posting, TC?
W.K. Kellogg was the brother of John Harvey Kellogg. Will started the
Breakfast Cereal Gold Rush by commercialising Corn Flakes. He is the
founder of the Kellogg breakfast cereal company. These people were
selling boxes of this stuff that cost next to nothing to produce for
real money. W.K. Kellogg became a multi-millionaire overnight.
Who do you think put grains at the bottom of the USDA Food Guide
Pyramid if it was not the likes of W.K. Kellogg?
Let us face it, TC, you are as big an idiot as they come (pun
intended).
Ha, ... Hah, Ha!
You have my condolences for champing the King of the health benefits of
eating grains for breakfast.
Hmmmm.
1) I post a report about the absurdity of a group of medical "experts"
are questioning the essentiality of nutrients that are essential by
definition, and
2) then I point out that these "experts" are connected by money to a
major player in the food industry that has a history of producing some
of the the most nutrient-deficient food marketted to man, ie. grains,
(whole and refined)
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Gee, TC now thinks that he is Christ-on-Earth. :(
Dream on TC, you did no such thing except in your wildest dreams. |
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TC
medicine forum Guru
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| Posted: Fri May 26, 2006 3:05 pm Post subject:
Re: Feds question vitamins' vitality
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Mr. Natural-Health wrote:
| Quote: | TC wrote:
Mr. Natural-Health wrote:
TC wrote:
The W.K. Kellogg Foundation has committed $2.5 million in a challenge
grant to the IOM to help the Institute extend the impact of its work.
http://www.wkkf.org/default.aspx?tabid=78&NID=68&LanguageID=0
Don't you read what you are posting, TC?
W.K. Kellogg was the brother of John Harvey Kellogg. Will started the
Breakfast Cereal Gold Rush by commercialising Corn Flakes. He is the
founder of the Kellogg breakfast cereal company. These people were
selling boxes of this stuff that cost next to nothing to produce for
real money. W.K. Kellogg became a multi-millionaire overnight.
Who do you think put grains at the bottom of the USDA Food Guide
Pyramid if it was not the likes of W.K. Kellogg?
Let us face it, TC, you are as big an idiot as they come (pun
intended).
Ha, ... Hah, Ha!
You have my condolences for champing the King of the health benefits of
eating grains for breakfast.
Hmmmm.
1) I post a report about the absurdity of a group of medical "experts"
are questioning the essentiality of nutrients that are essential by
definition, and
2) then I point out that these "experts" are connected by money to a
major player in the food industry that has a history of producing some
of the the most nutrient-deficient food marketted to man, ie. grains,
(whole and refined)
Gee, TC now thinks that he is Christ-on-Earth. :(
Dream on TC, you did no such thing except in your wildest dreams.
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Let's review what I posted:
*****quote one ********
"For the average healthy American, there's simply not enough evidence
to
tell if taking vitamins is a good or bad idea, said Dr. Michael
McGinnis of the Institute of Medicine, who led the NIH panel's review.
"We don't know a great deal," he said, calling for more rigorous
research.
Moreover, McGinnis added, "The product with which we're dealing is
virtually unregulated," meaning there are even questions about how the
bottles' labels convey what's really inside.
*********
Notice that "Dr" McGinnis is from the Institute of Medicine or IOM.
***** quote two *****
Funding Priorities at the IOM
http://www.iom.edu/CMS/3239/33048.aspx
Unrestricted Annual Fund Support
The IOM's body of work and the values that guide its
operations--independence, objectivity, expertise, and grounding in
evidence--are unmatched. While many of the Institute's studies are
requested and funded by the federal government, the IOM relies on ***
private funding *** for other initiatives that are essential for
advancing and disseminating scientific knowledge to improve human
health.
Unrestricted Annual Fund support helps advance our work in areas such
as measuring and improving the quality of health care, uninsurance,
childhood obesity, and health literacy. *** Private funding *** enables
the IOM to pursue these and other significant opportunities, to lead
meaningful change in the nation's health care system, and to improve
health nationally and globally.
*******
So private funding is what propels their research.
**** quote three *****
The Kellogg Health of the Public Fund
The W.K. Kellogg Foundation has committed $2.5 million in a challenge
grant to the IOM to help the Institute extend the impact of its work.
The Kellogg Health of the Public Fund enables the Institute to expand
its outreach by:
***********
The upshot is that Kellogg funds the IOM and the IOM's good Dr McGinnis
comes out and questions the usefullness of vitamins. And that falls in
quite nicely with the fact that Kellogg's produces food with no
nutritional value whatsoever. Why produce real nutrition when doctors
say that real nutrition is a fallacy.
TC |
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Mr-Natural-Health
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NEWSFLASH: YOU made no such conclusion in your original post.
Show me your original commentary, where you make a conclusion of any
sort.
I am getting really sick of the A-Holes on these ngs who think
everybody has ESP.
The only thing I see is the A-Hole called TC posting a stupid article
that knocks the value of taking supplements.
You have my condolences.
Where do these rubes come from???
TC wrote:
| Quote: | Mr. Natural-Health wrote:
TC wrote:
Mr. Natural-Health wrote:
TC wrote:
The W.K. Kellogg Foundation has committed $2.5 million in a challenge
grant to the IOM to help the Institute extend the impact of its work.
http://www.wkkf.org/default.aspx?tabid=78&NID=68&LanguageID=0
Don't you read what you are posting, TC?
W.K. Kellogg was the brother of John Harvey Kellogg. Will started the
Breakfast Cereal Gold Rush by commercialising Corn Flakes. He is the
founder of the Kellogg breakfast cereal company. These people were
selling boxes of this stuff that cost next to nothing to produce for
real money. W.K. Kellogg became a multi-millionaire overnight.
Who do you think put grains at the bottom of the USDA Food Guide
Pyramid if it was not the likes of W.K. Kellogg?
Let us face it, TC, you are as big an idiot as they come (pun
intended).
Ha, ... Hah, Ha!
You have my condolences for champing the King of the health benefits of
eating grains for breakfast.
Hmmmm.
1) I post a report about the absurdity of a group of medical "experts"
are questioning the essentiality of nutrients that are essential by
definition, and
2) then I point out that these "experts" are connected by money to a
major player in the food industry that has a history of producing some
of the the most nutrient-deficient food marketted to man, ie. grains,
(whole and refined)
Gee, TC now thinks that he is Christ-on-Earth. :(
Dream on TC, you did no such thing except in your wildest dreams.
Let's review what I posted:
*****quote one ********
"For the average healthy American, there's simply not enough evidence
to
tell if taking vitamins is a good or bad idea, said Dr. Michael
McGinnis of the Institute of Medicine, who led the NIH panel's review.
"We don't know a great deal," he said, calling for more rigorous
research.
Moreover, McGinnis added, "The product with which we're dealing is
virtually unregulated," meaning there are even questions about how the
bottles' labels convey what's really inside.
*********
Notice that "Dr" McGinnis is from the Institute of Medicine or IOM.
***** quote two *****
Funding Priorities at the IOM
http://www.iom.edu/CMS/3239/33048.aspx
Unrestricted Annual Fund Support
The IOM's body of work and the values that guide its
operations--independence, objectivity, expertise, and grounding in
evidence--are unmatched. While many of the Institute's studies are
requested and funded by the federal government, the IOM relies on ***
private funding *** for other initiatives that are essential for
advancing and disseminating scientific knowledge to improve human
health.
Unrestricted Annual Fund support helps advance our work in areas such
as measuring and improving the quality of health care, uninsurance,
childhood obesity, and health literacy. *** Private funding *** enables
the IOM to pursue these and other significant opportunities, to lead
meaningful change in the nation's health care system, and to improve
health nationally and globally.
*******
So private funding is what propels their research.
**** quote three *****
The Kellogg Health of the Public Fund
The W.K. Kellogg Foundation has committed $2.5 million in a challenge
grant to the IOM to help the Institute extend the impact of its work.
The Kellogg Health of the Public Fund enables the Institute to expand
its outreach by:
***********
The upshot is that Kellogg funds the IOM and the IOM's good Dr McGinnis
comes out and questions the usefullness of vitamins. And that falls in
quite nicely with the fact that Kellogg's produces food with no
nutritional value whatsoever. Why produce real nutrition when doctors
say that real nutrition is a fallacy.
TC |
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Jim Chinnis
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"Heather" <HLR@NotHome.net> wrote in part:
| Quote: | Feds question vitamins' vitality
A study finds little evidence to support the health claims of
multivitamins
Dr. Michael McGinnis says:
"there's simply not enough evidence to tell if taking vitamins
is a good or bad idea" and "We don't know a great deal"
Well, if he knows so little about the subject, or if he can't
figure out who benefits, and who doesn't benefit from
supplementation, why is he in charge of the NIH panel?
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It's not that unusual for non-experts to be very confident about their views
on a topic, whereas experts recognize that little is known.
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Jim Chinnis Warrenton, Virginia, USA jchinnis@alum.mit.edu |
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Mr-Natural-Health
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| Posted: Fri May 26, 2006 10:37 pm Post subject:
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Jim Chinnis wrote:
| Quote: | "Heather" <HLR@NotHome.net> wrote in part:
Feds question vitamins' vitality
A study finds little evidence to support the health claims of
multivitamins
Dr. Michael McGinnis says:
"there's simply not enough evidence to tell if taking vitamins
is a good or bad idea" and "We don't know a great deal"
Well, if he knows so little about the subject, or if he can't
figure out who benefits, and who doesn't benefit from
supplementation, why is he in charge of the NIH panel?
It's not that unusual for non-experts to be very confident about their views
on a topic, whereas experts recognize that little is known.
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Well, Stephen Barrett of Quackwatch says that there is reason enough to
be taking vitamin supplements. And, at least one review published in
JAMA likewise says that there is reason enough to be taking them.
See my website, link shown above for the citations and hyperlinks.
I suppose that these people are just twits? |
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TC
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| Posted: Sat May 27, 2006 12:22 am Post subject:
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NEWSFLASH: YOU missed it!!!!!!
Idiot.
And you call me a rube.
TC
Mr. Natural-Health wrote:
| Quote: | NEWSFLASH: YOU made no such conclusion in your original post.
Show me your original commentary, where you make a conclusion of any
sort.
I am getting really sick of the A-Holes on these ngs who think
everybody has ESP.
The only thing I see is the A-Hole called TC posting a stupid article
that knocks the value of taking supplements.
You have my condolences.
Where do these rubes come from???
TC wrote:
Mr. Natural-Health wrote:
TC wrote:
Mr. Natural-Health wrote:
TC wrote:
The W.K. Kellogg Foundation has committed $2.5 million in a challenge
grant to the IOM to help the Institute extend the impact of its work.
http://www.wkkf.org/default.aspx?tabid=78&NID=68&LanguageID=0
Don't you read what you are posting, TC?
W.K. Kellogg was the brother of John Harvey Kellogg. Will started the
Breakfast Cereal Gold Rush by commercialising Corn Flakes. He is the
founder of the Kellogg breakfast cereal company. These people were
selling boxes of this stuff that cost next to nothing to produce for
real money. W.K. Kellogg became a multi-millionaire overnight.
Who do you think put grains at the bottom of the USDA Food Guide
Pyramid if it was not the likes of W.K. Kellogg?
Let us face it, TC, you are as big an idiot as they come (pun
intended).
Ha, ... Hah, Ha!
You have my condolences for champing the King of the health benefits of
eating grains for breakfast.
Hmmmm.
1) I post a report about the absurdity of a group of medical "experts"
are questioning the essentiality of nutrients that are essential by
definition, and
2) then I point out that these "experts" are connected by money to a
major player in the food industry that has a history of producing some
of the the most nutrient-deficient food marketted to man, ie. grains,
(whole and refined)
Gee, TC now thinks that he is Christ-on-Earth. :(
Dream on TC, you did no such thing except in your wildest dreams.
Let's review what I posted:
*****quote one ********
"For the average healthy American, there's simply not enough evidence
to
tell if taking vitamins is a good or bad idea, said Dr. Michael
McGinnis of the Institute of Medicine, who led the NIH panel's review.
"We don't know a great deal," he said, calling for more rigorous
research.
Moreover, McGinnis added, "The product with which we're dealing is
virtually unregulated," meaning there are even questions about how the
bottles' labels convey what's really inside.
*********
Notice that "Dr" McGinnis is from the Institute of Medicine or IOM.
***** quote two *****
Funding Priorities at the IOM
http://www.iom.edu/CMS/3239/33048.aspx
Unrestricted Annual Fund Support
The IOM's body of work and the values that guide its
operations--independence, objectivity, expertise, and grounding in
evidence--are unmatched. While many of the Institute's studies are
requested and funded by the federal government, the IOM relies on ***
private funding *** for other initiatives that are essential for
advancing and disseminating scientific knowledge to improve human
health.
Unrestricted Annual Fund support helps advance our work in areas such
as measuring and improving the quality of health care, uninsurance,
childhood obesity, and health literacy. *** Private funding *** enables
the IOM to pursue these and other significant opportunities, to lead
meaningful change in the nation's health care system, and to improve
health nationally and globally.
*******
So private funding is what propels their research.
**** quote three *****
The Kellogg Health of the Public Fund
The W.K. Kellogg Foundation has committed $2.5 million in a challenge
grant to the IOM to help the Institute extend the impact of its work.
The Kellogg Health of the Public Fund enables the Institute to expand
its outreach by:
***********
The upshot is that Kellogg funds the IOM and the IOM's good Dr McGinnis
comes out and questions the usefullness of vitamins. And that falls in
quite nicely with the fact that Kellogg's produces food with no
nutritional value whatsoever. Why produce real nutrition when doctors
say that real nutrition is a fallacy.
TC |
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Mr-Natural-Health
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| Posted: Sat May 27, 2006 1:00 pm Post subject:
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TC wrote:
| Quote: | NEWSFLASH: YOU missed it!!!!!!
Idiot.
And you call me a rube.
TC
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TC's persistence in using "it" rather than fully articulating his
position, denotes his mental illness.
You have my condolences, Idiot. :)
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Mr. Natural-Health wrote:
NEWSFLASH: YOU made no such conclusion in your original post.
Show me your original commentary, where you make a conclusion of any
sort.
I am getting really sick of the A-Holes on these ngs who think
everybody has ESP.
The only thing I see is the A-Hole called TC posting a stupid article
that knocks the value of taking supplements.
You have my condolences.
Where do these rubes come from???
TC wrote:
Mr. Natural-Health wrote:
TC wrote:
Mr. Natural-Health wrote:
TC wrote:
The W.K. Kellogg Foundation has committed $2.5 million in a challenge
grant to the IOM to help the Institute extend the impact of its work.
http://www.wkkf.org/default.aspx?tabid=78&NID=68&LanguageID=0
Don't you read what you are posting, TC?
W.K. Kellogg was the brother of John Harvey Kellogg. Will started the
Breakfast Cereal Gold Rush by commercialising Corn Flakes. He is the
founder of the Kellogg breakfast cereal company. These people were
selling boxes of this stuff that cost next to nothing to produce for
real money. W.K. Kellogg became a multi-millionaire overnight.
Who do you think put grains at the bottom of the USDA Food Guide
Pyramid if it was not the likes of W.K. Kellogg?
Let us face it, TC, you are as big an idiot as they come (pun
intended).
Ha, ... Hah, Ha!
You have my condolences for champing the King of the health benefits of
eating grains for breakfast.
Hmmmm.
1) I post a report about the absurdity of a group of medical "experts"
are questioning the essentiality of nutrients that are essential by
definition, and
2) then I point out that these "experts" are connected by money to a
major player in the food industry that has a history of producing some
of the the most nutrient-deficient food marketted to man, ie. grains,
(whole and refined)
Gee, TC now thinks that he is Christ-on-Earth. :(
Dream on TC, you did no such thing except in your wildest dreams.
Let's review what I posted:
*****quote one ********
"For the average healthy American, there's simply not enough evidence
to
tell if taking vitamins is a good or bad idea, said Dr. Michael
McGinnis of the Institute of Medicine, who led the NIH panel's review.
"We don't know a great deal," he said, calling for more rigorous
research.
Moreover, McGinnis added, "The product with which we're dealing is
virtually unregulated," meaning there are even questions about how the
bottles' labels convey what's really inside.
*********
Notice that "Dr" McGinnis is from the Institute of Medicine or IOM.
***** quote two *****
Funding Priorities at the IOM
http://www.iom.edu/CMS/3239/33048.aspx
Unrestricted Annual Fund Support
The IOM's body of work and the values that guide its
operations--independence, objectivity, expertise, and grounding in
evidence--are unmatched. While many of the Institute's studies are
requested and funded by the federal government, the IOM relies on ***
private funding *** for other initiatives that are essential for
advancing and disseminating scientific knowledge to improve human
health.
Unrestricted Annual Fund support helps advance our work in areas such
as measuring and improving the quality of health care, uninsurance,
childhood obesity, and health literacy. *** Private funding *** enables
the IOM to pursue these and other significant opportunities, to lead
meaningful change in the nation's health care system, and to improve
health nationally and globally.
*******
So private funding is what propels their research.
**** quote three *****
The Kellogg Health of the Public Fund
The W.K. Kellogg Foundation has committed $2.5 million in a challenge
grant to the IOM to help the Institute extend the impact of its work.
The Kellogg Health of the Public Fund enables the Institute to expand
its outreach by:
***********
The upshot is that Kellogg funds the IOM and the IOM's good Dr McGinnis
comes out and questions the usefullness of vitamins. And that falls in
quite nicely with the fact that Kellogg's produces food with no
nutritional value whatsoever. Why produce real nutrition when doctors
say that real nutrition is a fallacy.
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TC
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Re: Feds question vitamins' vitality
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gohdiot
Mr. Natural-Health wrote:
| Quote: | TC wrote:
NEWSFLASH: YOU missed it!!!!!!
Idiot.
And you call me a rube.
TC
TC's persistence in using "it" rather than fully articulating his
position, denotes his mental illness.
You have my condolences, Idiot. :)
Mr. Natural-Health wrote:
NEWSFLASH: YOU made no such conclusion in your original post.
Show me your original commentary, where you make a conclusion of any
sort.
I am getting really sick of the A-Holes on these ngs who think
everybody has ESP.
The only thing I see is the A-Hole called TC posting a stupid article
that knocks the value of taking supplements.
You have my condolences.
Where do these rubes come from???
TC wrote:
Mr. Natural-Health wrote:
TC wrote:
Mr. Natural-Health wrote:
TC wrote:
The W.K. Kellogg Foundation has committed $2.5 million in a challenge
grant to the IOM to help the Institute extend the impact of its work.
http://www.wkkf.org/default.aspx?tabid=78&NID=68&LanguageID=0
Don't you read what you are posting, TC?
W.K. Kellogg was the brother of John Harvey Kellogg. Will started the
Breakfast Cereal Gold Rush by commercialising Corn Flakes. He is the
founder of the Kellogg breakfast cereal company. These people were
selling boxes of this stuff that cost next to nothing to produce for
real money. W.K. Kellogg became a multi-millionaire overnight.
Who do you think put grains at the bottom of the USDA Food Guide
Pyramid if it was not the likes of W.K. Kellogg?
Let us face it, TC, you are as big an idiot as they come (pun
intended).
Ha, ... Hah, Ha!
You have my condolences for champing the King of the health benefits of
eating grains for breakfast.
Hmmmm.
1) I post a report about the absurdity of a group of medical "experts"
are questioning the essentiality of nutrients that are essential by
definition, and
2) then I point out that these "experts" are connected by money to a
major player in the food industry that has a history of producing some
of the the most nutrient-deficient food marketted to man, ie. grains,
(whole and refined)
Gee, TC now thinks that he is Christ-on-Earth. :(
Dream on TC, you did no such thing except in your wildest dreams.
Let's review what I posted:
*****quote one ********
"For the average healthy American, there's simply not enough evidence
to
tell if taking vitamins is a good or bad idea, said Dr. Michael
McGinnis of the Institute of Medicine, who led the NIH panel's review.
"We don't know a great deal," he said, calling for more rigorous
research.
Moreover, McGinnis added, "The product with which we're dealing is
virtually unregulated," meaning there are even questions about how the
bottles' labels convey what's really inside.
*********
Notice that "Dr" McGinnis is from the Institute of Medicine or IOM.
***** quote two *****
Funding Priorities at the IOM
http://www.iom.edu/CMS/3239/33048.aspx
Unrestricted Annual Fund Support
The IOM's body of work and the values that guide its
operations--independence, objectivity, expertise, and grounding in
evidence--are unmatched. While many of the Institute's studies are
requested and funded by the federal government, the IOM relies on ***
private funding *** for other initiatives that are essential for
advancing and disseminating scientific knowledge to improve human
health.
Unrestricted Annual Fund support helps advance our work in areas such
as measuring and improving the quality of health care, uninsurance,
childhood obesity, and health literacy. *** Private funding *** enables
the IOM to pursue these and other significant opportunities, to lead
meaningful change in the nation's health care system, and to improve
health nationally and globally.
*******
So private funding is what propels their research.
**** quote three *****
The Kellogg Health of the Public Fund
The W.K. Kellogg Foundation has committed $2.5 million in a challenge
grant to the IOM to help the Institute extend the impact of its work.
The Kellogg Health of the Public Fund enables the Institute to expand
its outreach by:
***********
The upshot is that Kellogg funds the IOM and the IOM's good Dr McGinnis
comes out and questions the usefullness of vitamins. And that falls in
quite nicely with the fact that Kellogg's produces food with no
nutritional value whatsoever. Why produce real nutrition when doctors
say that real nutrition is a fallacy.
TC |
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