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TC
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 Posted: Mon May 29, 2006 8:29 pm Post subject:
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Heather wrote:
| Quote: | Feds question vitamins' vitality
A study finds little evidence to support the health claims of
multivitamins
Dr. Michael McGinnis says:
"there's simply not enough evidence to tell if taking vitamins
is a good or bad idea" and "We don't know a great deal"
Well, if he knows so little about the subject, or if he can't
figure out who benefits, and who doesn't benefit from
supplementation, why is he in charge of the NIH panel?
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It is always interesting that those charged with our health knowledge
will willingly admit to knowing almost nothing of any importance in
that field of study. And they almost always seem to have industry
connections, oddly enough.
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Doug Freese
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"TC" <tunderbar@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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| Quote: | It is always interesting that those charged with our health knowledge
will willingly admit to knowing almost nothing of any importance in
that field of study. And they almost always seem to have industry
connections, oddly enough.
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Only in your head. If you didn't believe that all that disagreed with
you are bought and paid for, you would have to do yourself in. Yawn,
still using the same old BS paranoia argument. There is a UFO coming for
you any day. You're right up there with mister honesty - Bush.
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TC
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Doug Freese wrote:
| Quote: | "TC" <tunderbar@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1148934593.139567.245740@38g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
It is always interesting that those charged with our health knowledge
will willingly admit to knowing almost nothing of any importance in
that field of study. And they almost always seem to have industry
connections, oddly enough.
Only in your head. If you didn't believe that all that disagreed with
you are bought and paid for, you would have to do yourself in. Yawn,
still using the same old BS paranoia argument. There is a UFO coming for
you any day. You're right up there with mister honesty - Bush.
-DF
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I think I've shown enough cases where researchers, doctors and
medically trained mouthpieces were funded or paid for, by various
industry sources, to not deserve to be accused of paranoia.
The old saying is, if they really are out to get you, is it still
paranoia?
70% or more of all research is paid for by industry. And industry does
not fork out millions of dollars for studies that show that their
products are inferior or dangerous. It just does not happen. Heaven
help the researcher who returns findings that hurts their sponsors
ability to sell their product. In fact they design the studies by only
asking narrowly defined questions to ensure a narrow and precise
answer.
For instance, the flour industry was under great pressure by the low
carb "fad" so they commisioned studies, by company paid researchers of
course, to compare white flour products with whole grain flour products
and they of course found a minor improvement to health with whole grain
flour products. The results were trumpetted by their advertising and
articles in the popular media and the FDA ran with it and the major
recomendation for the food pyramid changes were to eat lots of whole
grains. Of course, they did not compare their grain products with real
food like meat, dairy and fresh produce, because that would give them
answers to questions that they did not want to ask.
Is this paranoia? Nope, it is the real world. Anytime a new study of
interest is reported in the press, go find the study, get the names of
the researchers and enter then into the CSPI database search engine and
see what their industry affiliations are. It is very enlightening and
it does not take long to see the pattern.
Here is the link:
http://cspinet.org/integrity/
This is an invaluable resource. I urge you all to support it.
It is mind boggling how few researchers are actually independent of
industry.
The popular media is 100% dependent on industry advertising dollars.
Pharma and food are trillion dollar industries. They have billion
dollar ad budgets and billion dollar "research" budgets. Universities
are now "partners" with industry and their partnering is worth billions
to them in grants and assorted payments as well as consulting fees,
board appointments, etc. And Universities are the ones training our
doctors, nurses, dieticians, etc.
Don't take my word for it. Go to tghe websites of the major and minor
Universities and see for yourself who they partner with. Where they get
their money from. What industry boards and commisions they sit on. It
is there for you to see for yourself. It isn't hidden. They brag about
it.
The entire food and phamaceutical research and marketing industry is a
billion dollar industry seeking to make a buck. And that involves
non-profits as well. The American Diabetes Association gets millions
from the food and pharma industry. They will be the first to tell you
that we do not know what causes diabetes, but they will also tell you,
in the same breath, unequivalently and vehemently that it isn't dietary
sugars that cause diabetes. And they get a lot of funding from the food
industry. Coincidence?
Don't take my word for it. Go to the ADA website and look for their
corporate donors page. All their funders are listed. And they are
pretty much all from the food and pharma industry. See for yourself.
They are proud of their affiliations. Because people like you see
nothing wrong with it, they do it in the open. Nobody seems to be
concerned with the concept of conflict of interest in the great US of
A.
The American Dental Association has accepted millions from the soft
drink industry. So much for their independence. Go to their website and
have a look. The largest dental advocate is now funded by the greatest
source of dental decay. Do you not see a conflict of interest here?
Look, in the great US of A, money talks. Money makes the country what
it is. Capitalism is the very soul of the country. Making a buck is the
highest calling for most Americans. And breaking the rules is part of
the game. Every movie out of Hollywood is about the lone hero breaking
rules and breaking heads to protect and save the American way of life.
Anything goes to attain the goal in the US of A. And the goal is money.
Profits. Fortune. And sometimes fame as well.
So why is it so hard to believe that these companies, whose express
goal and reason for existing is to make money, would break the rules,
pay for and use shoddy science to its own ends, pay off researchers,
buy influence over University curriculums with large grants, etc etc.
It's the American freedom of corporate advancement.
And as long as they make money they will also donate lots of cash to
political campaigns and PACs. That is how the game is played. That is
how influence is bought. And that is how the FDA is now the industries
lap dog. The FDA's purpose is not to protect the American people, but
to enable American food and pharma industry to sell pretty much
anything they want in the guise of food or medecine, and to sell it any
way they can to anyone they can.
Check it out, there are several sites that track the corporate
donations of the political parties and the politicians. It is all there
for the world to see.
Anyone who blithely ignores the reality here is either extremely naive
and just sticking their heads deep deep in the sand or they are well
aware of it and are explicitly part of the problem.
It boggles the mind that the supposedly most sophisticated and
supposedly best educated and the supposedly most cynical country in the
world, where personal freedoms are supposedly the very cornerstone of
their society, would be so ignorant to the blindingly obvious and would
thus allow the food and pharma industry to run roughshod over the
health and the well-being of themselves and their children.
The people are being systematically and systemically screwed over by
the food and pharma industries in partnership with universities,
medical people, government, government agencies, popular media and
non-profits. That is a fact and it is there for all to see if they
chose to scratch the surface and do a bit of research.
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Rick
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The FDA will approve many drugs that cause brain damage, liver damage
or even premature death as they call it. They will not support healthy,
inexpensive alternatives to the regulated poisoning of millions though.
That is why I became a shaklee distributor. www.shaklee.net/waltongates |
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Mr-Natural-Health
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Stopping avoiding the real question.
Answer the Question, TC.
We are all waiting.  |
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TC
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Mr. Natural-Health wrote:
| Quote: | Stopping avoiding the real question.
Answer the Question, TC.
We are all waiting.
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What question, gohdiot?
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Mr-Natural-Health
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Stop trying to change the subject.
Answer THE question. |
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Doug Freese
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"TC" <tunderbar@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1149258700.717808.145460@i39g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
| Quote: | Don't take my word for it. Go to tghe websites of the major and minor
Universities and see for yourself who they partner with. Where they
get
their money from. What industry boards and commisions they sit on. It
is there for you to see for yourself. It isn't hidden. They brag about
it.
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Your flat out saying that because some company(s) funds research at a
college the money comes with the research answer already known. Talk
about childish paranoia.
| Quote: | The people are being systematically and systemically screwed over by
the food and pharma industries in partnership with universities,
medical people, government, government agencies, popular media and
non-profits. That is a fact and it is there for all to see if they
chose to scratch the surface and do a bit of research.
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Wow, talk about being off the deep edge. Thank god there aren't many
like you that see bad guys behind every tree. Do you hear voices too?
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TC
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Doug Freese wrote:
| Quote: | "TC" <tunderbar@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1149258700.717808.145460@i39g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
Don't take my word for it. Go to tghe websites of the major and minor
Universities and see for yourself who they partner with. Where they
get
their money from. What industry boards and commisions they sit on. It
is there for you to see for yourself. It isn't hidden. They brag about
it.
Your flat out saying that because some company(s) funds research at a
college the money comes with the research answer already known. Talk
about childish paranoia.
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Money talks. Especially when universities are making millions annually
and become dependent on the funding. Professors and researchers get
ahead professionally by attracting more research funding.
No business makes money by funding studies that finds their products
inferior or dangerous.
You cannot be so naive to think that researchers that are funded by
industry can report anything that could put their funders business at
risk, are you?
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The people are being systematically and systemically screwed over by
the food and pharma industries in partnership with universities,
medical people, government, government agencies, popular media and
non-profits. That is a fact and it is there for all to see if they
chose to scratch the surface and do a bit of research.
Wow, talk about being off the deep edge. Thank god there aren't many
like you that see bad guys behind every tree. Do you hear voices too?
-DF
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Nothing deep about this edge. Check out the sites that I mentioned in
my previous post. If you look at it you will see it too. It isn't all
that farfetched either. It is simply marketting at its peak of
effectiveness and in scope. When you have enough cash to grease
everybodies palms, it is amazing what you can accomplish.
The only voice I hear is you trying to make this sound as if it is so
far out there that it is not credible. But, you are the only voice out
there. Lots of people will have checked into those sites I mentioned
and see that the Diabetes association is funded by food and pharma, and
the FDAs rubber stamp behavior is more than blatant enough for people
to wonder whose side they are on (can you say Vioxx?), etc.
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Mr-Natural-Health
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| Posted: Sun Jun 04, 2006 2:27 pm Post subject:
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Stop trying to change the subject, TC.
Answer THE question. |
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TC
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| Posted: Sun Jun 04, 2006 5:01 pm Post subject:
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Mr. Natural-Health wrote:
| Quote: | TC wrote:
The W.K. Kellogg Foundation has committed $2.5 million in a challenge
grant to the IOM to help the Institute extend the impact of its work.
http://www.wkkf.org/default.aspx?tabid=78&NID=68&LanguageID=0
Don't you read what you are posting, TC?
W.K. Kellogg was the brother of John Harvey Kellogg. Will started the
Breakfast Cereal Gold Rush by commercialising Corn Flakes. He is the
founder of the Kellogg breakfast cereal company. These people were
selling boxes of this stuff that cost next to nothing to produce for
real money. W.K. Kellogg became a multi-millionaire overnight.
Who do you think put grains at the bottom of the USDA Food Guide
Pyramid if it was not the likes of W.K. Kellogg?
Let us face it, TC, you are as big an idiot as they come (pun
intended).
Ha, ... Hah, Ha!
You have my condolences for champing the King of the health benefits of
eating grains for breakfast.
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Obviously you either did not read what I posted or you are unable to
understand simple english. Gohdiot.
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Mr-Natural-Health
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Mr. Natural-Health wrote:
| Quote: | Stop trying to change the subject, TC.
Answer THE question. |
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