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Mike Tyner
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"mb" <marybethx@yahoo.com> wrote
| Quote: | Maybe they should have disclosed on their product, this solution may
cause a "rare" infection which could result in blindness. And we
haven't bothered to test this product against this fungus either.
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If they listed ALL the specific organisms not tested, there'd be no room on
the label for the product name.
If they TESTED all those organisms, each bottle would cost about $3500.00.
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Quick
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| Posted: Fri Jun 02, 2006 11:15 pm Post subject:
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mb wrote:
| Quote: | Dr. Leukoma wrote:
Quick wrote:
LarryDoc wrote:
Of course one has be rather strange to be playing golf
standing in the pouring rain with lightening all
around. And pretty negligent digging in the dirt and
not washing up before sticking their fingers in the
eye.
Ummm, I'll agree with the dirt part. Pouring rain with a
bit of lightening has to be weighed against finishing
this round so you can make the tee time for your
afternoon round at the other course...
-Quick
...or, you could get struck by lightening and contract
fusarium from lying face down in a mud puddle afterwards.
DrG
I needed a good laugh. You guys a tooooo funny. Go play
some golf, but before that...
explain to me how a 16 year old contracts this fusarium
infection in the dead of winter in North Dakota using
this product when at the time they claimed you could only
get it in tropical climates?
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Are you implying that the product itself is contaminated?
So far I've only heard that it might not kill fusarium.
-Quick |
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mb
medicine forum beginner
Joined: 10 Mar 2005
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Quick wrote:
| Quote: | mb wrote:
Dr. Leukoma wrote:
Quick wrote:
LarryDoc wrote:
Of course one has be rather strange to be playing golf
standing in the pouring rain with lightening all
around. And pretty negligent digging in the dirt and
not washing up before sticking their fingers in the
eye.
Ummm, I'll agree with the dirt part. Pouring rain with a
bit of lightening has to be weighed against finishing
this round so you can make the tee time for your
afternoon round at the other course...
-Quick
...or, you could get struck by lightening and contract
fusarium from lying face down in a mud puddle afterwards.
DrG
I needed a good laugh. You guys a tooooo funny. Go play
some golf, but before that...
explain to me how a 16 year old contracts this fusarium
infection in the dead of winter in North Dakota using
this product when at the time they claimed you could only
get it in tropical climates?
Are you implying that the product itself is contaminated?
So far I've only heard that it might not kill fusarium.
-Quick
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Well, here's an interesting article. Any comments? I am more
concerned about Acanthamoeba than fusarium.
Lens inventor warns of eye infection risk
May 23, 2006 | www.scottsman.com
The man who invented the daily disposable contact lens has warned that
anyone who uses a solution to clean their lenses is at risk of serious
eye infections.
The warning comes after a contact lens solution used by millions of
people worldwide was withdrawn from sale over fears that it could cause
blindness.
Living.scotsman.com MPU
Ron Hamilton, from Bruntsfield, Edinburgh, today said the risk was not
isolated to one type of lens cleaning solution.
He said: "What happens is the bacteria builds up in the cleaning cases
because when you put in your modern solutions it doesn't kill all the
bacteria.
"If you are asking me if cleaning solutions are dangerous then I would
say yes they are, in varying degrees. Some people get by quite
adequately with it while others, from time to time, will encounter
problems."
One brand of lens cleaner, called Renu with MoistureLoc, was withdrawn
from the market this week after its manufacturer admitted the product
was linked with a rare fungal eye infection.
The Renu cleaner, made by pharmaceutical giant Bausch & Lomb, was
withdrawn after 122 cases of keratitis, a rare fungal infection, were
confirmed in the United States. Many of those infected had used the
Renu solution. |
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mb
medicine forum beginner
Joined: 10 Mar 2005
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| Posted: Sat Jun 03, 2006 2:35 am Post subject:
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Mike Tyner wrote:
| Quote: | "mb" <marybethx@yahoo.com> wrote
Maybe they should have disclosed on their product, this solution may
cause a "rare" infection which could result in blindness. And we
haven't bothered to test this product against this fungus either.
If they listed ALL the specific organisms not tested, there'd be no room on
the label for the product name.
If they TESTED all those organisms, each bottle would cost about $3500.00.
-MT
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B & L has otherwise good products. Their mistake was their arrogance
and denial of any problems at the onset. Fusarium eye infections will
be rare again now that this specific product has been removed from the
market. Companies continue to get FDA approvals for policing their
own products. hmmm.... something's wrong with that picture.
Federal inspectors criticize Bausch & Lomb
May 17, 2006 | Alison Young | Atlanta Journal-Constitution
The Bausch & Lomb contact lens solution being recalled worldwide and
linked to an outbreak of serious eye infections was put on the market
without being fully tested for effectiveness in killing bacteria and
fungus, according to an inspection report by the U.S. Food and Drug
Administration.
ReNu with MoistureLoc, used by 2.3 million Americans, never went
through a full FDA approval process, the report indicates, and the
company's new-product design team failed to complete a wide range of
tests both before and after it was sold to consumers.
After its introduction, as complaints came in that the product could be
linked to a spike in cases of rare fungal infections, the company
failed to quickly notify the FDA, as required by law, according to the
report released Tuesday of inspectors' observations at Bausch & Lomb's
lens solution plant in Greenville, S.C.
FDA and Bausch & Lomb officials said they don't think any of the eight
pages of problems cited in the report contributed to the worldwide
outbreak of fusarium keratitis, a potentially blinding eye infection
caused by a common fungus. |
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Dr. Leukoma
medicine forum Guru
Joined: 30 Apr 2005
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| Posted: Sat Jun 03, 2006 2:52 am Post subject:
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mb wrote:
| Quote: | Dr. Leukoma wrote:
Quick wrote:
LarryDoc wrote:
Of course one has be rather strange to be playing golf
standing in the pouring rain with lightening all around.
And pretty negligent digging in the dirt and not washing
up before sticking their fingers in the eye.
Ummm, I'll agree with the dirt part. Pouring rain with a
bit of lightening has to be weighed against finishing this
round so you can make the tee time for your afternoon
round at the other course...
-Quick
...or, you could get struck by lightening and contract fusarium from
lying face down in a mud puddle afterwards.
DrG
I needed a good laugh. You guys a tooooo funny. Go play some golf,
but before that...
explain to me how a 16 year old contracts this fusarium infection in
the dead of winter in North Dakota using this product when at the time
they claimed you could only get it in tropical climates?
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You mean that ND doesn't have a tropical climate?
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Dr. Leukoma
medicine forum Guru
Joined: 30 Apr 2005
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| Posted: Sat Jun 03, 2006 2:54 am Post subject:
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mb wrote:
| Quote: | Quick wrote:
mb wrote:
Dr. Leukoma wrote:
Quick wrote:
LarryDoc wrote:
Of course one has be rather strange to be playing golf
standing in the pouring rain with lightening all
around. And pretty negligent digging in the dirt and
not washing up before sticking their fingers in the
eye.
Ummm, I'll agree with the dirt part. Pouring rain with a
bit of lightening has to be weighed against finishing
this round so you can make the tee time for your
afternoon round at the other course...
-Quick
...or, you could get struck by lightening and contract
fusarium from lying face down in a mud puddle afterwards.
DrG
I needed a good laugh. You guys a tooooo funny. Go play
some golf, but before that...
explain to me how a 16 year old contracts this fusarium
infection in the dead of winter in North Dakota using
this product when at the time they claimed you could only
get it in tropical climates?
Are you implying that the product itself is contaminated?
So far I've only heard that it might not kill fusarium.
-Quick
Well, here's an interesting article. Any comments? I am more
concerned about Acanthamoeba than fusarium.
Lens inventor warns of eye infection risk
May 23, 2006 | www.scottsman.com
The man who invented the daily disposable contact lens has warned that
anyone who uses a solution to clean their lenses is at risk of serious
eye infections.
Hmmm. Wonder if he gets royalties? |
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Quick
medicine forum Guru
Joined: 19 Jun 2005
Posts: 343
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| Posted: Sat Jun 03, 2006 3:32 am Post subject:
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mb wrote:
| Quote: | Quick wrote:
mb wrote:
Dr. Leukoma wrote:
Quick wrote:
LarryDoc wrote:
Of course one has be rather strange to be playing
golf standing in the pouring rain with lightening all
around. And pretty negligent digging in the dirt and
not washing up before sticking their fingers in the
eye.
Ummm, I'll agree with the dirt part. Pouring rain
with a bit of lightening has to be weighed against
finishing this round so you can make the tee time for
your afternoon round at the other course...
-Quick
...or, you could get struck by lightening and contract
fusarium from lying face down in a mud puddle
afterwards.
DrG
I needed a good laugh. You guys a tooooo funny. Go
play some golf, but before that...
explain to me how a 16 year old contracts this fusarium
infection in the dead of winter in North Dakota using
this product when at the time they claimed you could
only get it in tropical climates?
Are you implying that the product itself is contaminated?
So far I've only heard that it might not kill fusarium.
-Quick
Well, here's an interesting article. Any comments? I am
more concerned about Acanthamoeba than fusarium.
Lens inventor warns of eye infection risk
May 23, 2006 | www.scottsman.com
The man who invented the daily disposable contact lens
has warned that anyone who uses a solution to clean their
lenses is at risk of serious eye infections.
The warning comes after a contact lens solution used by
millions of people worldwide was withdrawn from sale over
fears that it could cause blindness.
Living.scotsman.com MPU
Ron Hamilton, from Bruntsfield, Edinburgh, today said the
risk was not isolated to one type of lens cleaning
solution.
He said: "What happens is the bacteria builds up in the
cleaning cases because when you put in your modern
solutions it doesn't kill all the bacteria.
"If you are asking me if cleaning solutions are dangerous
then I would say yes they are, in varying degrees. Some
people get by quite adequately with it while others, from
time to time, will encounter problems."
One brand of lens cleaner, called Renu with MoistureLoc,
was withdrawn from the market this week after its
manufacturer admitted the product was linked with a rare
fungal eye infection.
The Renu cleaner, made by pharmaceutical giant Bausch &
Lomb, was withdrawn after 122 cases of keratitis, a rare
fungal infection, were confirmed in the United States.
Many of those infected had used the Renu solution.
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Comments? All I see here are some article blurbs with no
substance or references. And a quote supposedly from
the inventor of the *daily* disposable contact lens that says
cleaners are dangerous. You didn't supply anything to
comment on one way or the other.
Is the inventor of the daily disposable a doctor? And
could you possibly see a vested interest in saying that
cleaners are dangerous? -:)
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Mike Tyner
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| Posted: Sat Jun 03, 2006 4:37 am Post subject:
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"mb" <marybethx@yahoo.com> wrote
| Quote: | B & L has otherwise good products. Their mistake was their arrogance
and denial of any problems at the onset. Fusarium eye infections will
be rare again
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120/2300000 still seems rare to me.
I don't recall B&L denying anything. Between November and April, they
cultured the product in the affected markets and initiated a recall despite
negative culture results.
There are better examples of corporate arrogance. Have you ever checked the
price of natamycin, the drug used to treat fusarium? That's the price of
meeting your standard.
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mb
medicine forum beginner
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| Posted: Sat Jun 03, 2006 3:29 pm Post subject:
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Dr. Leukoma wrote:
| Quote: | mb wrote:
Quick wrote:
mb wrote:
Dr. Leukoma wrote:
Quick wrote:
LarryDoc wrote:
Of course one has be rather strange to be playing golf
standing in the pouring rain with lightening all
around. And pretty negligent digging in the dirt and
not washing up before sticking their fingers in the
eye.
Ummm, I'll agree with the dirt part. Pouring rain with a
bit of lightening has to be weighed against finishing
this round so you can make the tee time for your
afternoon round at the other course...
-Quick
...or, you could get struck by lightening and contract
fusarium from lying face down in a mud puddle afterwards.
DrG
I needed a good laugh. You guys a tooooo funny. Go play
some golf, but before that...
explain to me how a 16 year old contracts this fusarium
infection in the dead of winter in North Dakota using
this product when at the time they claimed you could only
get it in tropical climates?
Are you implying that the product itself is contaminated?
So far I've only heard that it might not kill fusarium.
-Quick
Well, here's an interesting article. Any comments? I am more
concerned about Acanthamoeba than fusarium.
Lens inventor warns of eye infection risk
May 23, 2006 | www.scottsman.com
The man who invented the daily disposable contact lens has warned that
anyone who uses a solution to clean their lenses is at risk of serious
eye infections.
Hmmm. Wonder if he gets royalties?
DrG
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Of course, he's hyping his own product. Good for him if it keeps our
eyes safer. But he must have seen some problems (and money potential,
of course) to develop a daily throw away. If people feel it is safer
and more hygienic for their eyes, given what has happened with one
disinfectant out there, the better option is daily disposable (not
completely riskfree) if they are too afraid of lasik. god forbid if
someone should opt for glasses. either bacteria is becoming more
resilient and/or disinfectants are just not currently strong enough or
monitored closely enough. and you think the FDA is watching any of
these companies, highly unlikely. |
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Quick
medicine forum Guru
Joined: 19 Jun 2005
Posts: 343
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| Posted: Sat Jun 03, 2006 5:24 pm Post subject:
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mb wrote:
| Quote: | Dr. Leukoma wrote:
mb wrote:
Quick wrote:
mb wrote:
Dr. Leukoma wrote:
Quick wrote:
LarryDoc wrote:
Of course one has be rather strange to be playing
golf standing in the pouring rain with lightening
all around. And pretty negligent digging in the
dirt and not washing up before sticking their
fingers in the eye.
Ummm, I'll agree with the dirt part. Pouring rain
with a bit of lightening has to be weighed against
finishing this round so you can make the tee time
for your afternoon round at the other course...
-Quick
...or, you could get struck by lightening and
contract fusarium from lying face down in a mud
puddle afterwards.
DrG
I needed a good laugh. You guys a tooooo funny. Go
play some golf, but before that...
explain to me how a 16 year old contracts this
fusarium infection in the dead of winter in North
Dakota using this product when at the time they
claimed you could only get it in tropical climates?
Are you implying that the product itself is
contaminated? So far I've only heard that it might not
kill fusarium.
-Quick
Well, here's an interesting article. Any comments? I
am more concerned about Acanthamoeba than fusarium.
Lens inventor warns of eye infection risk
May 23, 2006 | www.scottsman.com
The man who invented the daily disposable contact lens
has warned that anyone who uses a solution to clean
their lenses is at risk of serious eye infections.
Hmmm. Wonder if he gets royalties?
DrG
Of course, he's hyping his own product. Good for him if
it keeps our eyes safer. But he must have seen some
problems (and money potential, of course) to develop a
daily throw away.
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Really? Don't you think it more likely the objective was
entirely for convenience? People love disposable things
for the convenience and will tolerate a much greater cost
for it. The added safety may well have been a secondary
bonus.
-Quick |
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mb
medicine forum beginner
Joined: 10 Mar 2005
Posts: 22
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| Posted: Sat Jun 03, 2006 9:32 pm Post subject:
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Quick wrote:
| Quote: | mb wrote:
Dr. Leukoma wrote:
mb wrote:
Quick wrote:
mb wrote:
Dr. Leukoma wrote:
Quick wrote:
LarryDoc wrote:
Of course one has be rather strange to be playing
golf standing in the pouring rain with lightening
all around. And pretty negligent digging in the
dirt and not washing up before sticking their
fingers in the eye.
Ummm, I'll agree with the dirt part. Pouring rain
with a bit of lightening has to be weighed against
finishing this round so you can make the tee time
for your afternoon round at the other course...
-Quick
...or, you could get struck by lightening and
contract fusarium from lying face down in a mud
puddle afterwards.
DrG
I needed a good laugh. You guys a tooooo funny. Go
play some golf, but before that...
explain to me how a 16 year old contracts this
fusarium infection in the dead of winter in North
Dakota using this product when at the time they
claimed you could only get it in tropical climates?
Are you implying that the product itself is
contaminated? So far I've only heard that it might not
kill fusarium.
-Quick
Well, here's an interesting article. Any comments? I
am more concerned about Acanthamoeba than fusarium.
Lens inventor warns of eye infection risk
May 23, 2006 | www.scottsman.com
The man who invented the daily disposable contact lens
has warned that anyone who uses a solution to clean
their lenses is at risk of serious eye infections.
Hmmm. Wonder if he gets royalties?
DrG
Of course, he's hyping his own product. Good for him if
it keeps our eyes safer. But he must have seen some
problems (and money potential, of course) to develop a
daily throw away.
Really? Don't you think it more likely the objective was
entirely for convenience? People love disposable things
for the convenience and will tolerate a much greater cost
for it. The added safety may well have been a secondary
bonus.
-Quick
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Well, I could certainly ask him what his motive was if I wanted to.
Given what happened to my daughter, I am glad we had the option of a
daily disposable. My son was very content in glasses until he turned 18
and met a girl who said he looked better without them. Other family
members and friends have turned to a daily disposable as well also
because of what happened to my daughter. If everyone has such poor
hygiene habits like all of you claim and what an industry wants
everyone to believe (that is debatable in my opinion), then daily
disposables remain a good choice whatever his objective. Profits
remain a key to any business and that will never change. What needs to
change is the FDA's total protection to the consumer. |
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Quick
medicine forum Guru
Joined: 19 Jun 2005
Posts: 343
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| Posted: Sat Jun 03, 2006 10:00 pm Post subject:
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mb wrote:
| Quote: | Quick wrote:
mb wrote:
Dr. Leukoma wrote:
mb wrote:
Quick wrote:
mb wrote:
Dr. Leukoma wrote:
Quick wrote:
LarryDoc wrote:
Of course one has be rather strange to be playing
golf standing in the pouring rain with lightening
all around. And pretty negligent digging in the
dirt and not washing up before sticking their
fingers in the eye.
Ummm, I'll agree with the dirt part. Pouring rain
with a bit of lightening has to be weighed against
finishing this round so you can make the tee time
for your afternoon round at the other course...
-Quick
...or, you could get struck by lightening and
contract fusarium from lying face down in a mud
puddle afterwards.
DrG
I needed a good laugh. You guys a tooooo funny. Go
play some golf, but before that...
explain to me how a 16 year old contracts this
fusarium infection in the dead of winter in North
Dakota using this product when at the time they
claimed you could only get it in tropical climates?
Are you implying that the product itself is
contaminated? So far I've only heard that it might
not kill fusarium.
-Quick
Well, here's an interesting article. Any comments? I
am more concerned about Acanthamoeba than fusarium.
Lens inventor warns of eye infection risk
May 23, 2006 | www.scottsman.com
The man who invented the daily disposable contact lens
has warned that anyone who uses a solution to clean
their lenses is at risk of serious eye infections.
Hmmm. Wonder if he gets royalties?
DrG
Of course, he's hyping his own product. Good for him if
it keeps our eyes safer. But he must have seen some
problems (and money potential, of course) to develop a
daily throw away.
Really? Don't you think it more likely the objective was
entirely for convenience? People love disposable things
for the convenience and will tolerate a much greater cost
for it. The added safety may well have been a secondary
bonus.
-Quick
Well, I could certainly ask him what his motive was if I
wanted to.
Given what happened to my daughter, I am glad we had the
option of a daily disposable. My son was very content in
glasses until he turned 18 and met a girl who said he
looked better without them. Other family members and
friends have turned to a daily disposable as well also
because of what happened to my daughter. If everyone
has such poor hygiene habits like all of you claim and
what an industry wants everyone to believe (that is
debatable in my opinion), then daily disposables remain a
good choice whatever his objective. Profits remain a key
to any business and that will never change. What needs
to change is the FDA's total protection to the consumer.
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Alright. I think I'm getting a better picture of your adgenda.
My feeling is there should be some responsibility on the patient.
I don't want "total" protection by the FDA.
I DO want to be completely informed of risks and then make
my own decision. I'm aware there is an increased risk of
eye infection by wearing contacts. I thought about it, I'm OK
with it and decided to go ahead.
-Quick |
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mb
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| Posted: Sat Jun 03, 2006 11:51 pm Post subject:
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Quick wrote:
| Quote: | mb wrote:
Quick wrote:
mb wrote:
Dr. Leukoma wrote:
mb wrote:
Quick wrote:
mb wrote:
Dr. Leukoma wrote:
Quick wrote:
LarryDoc wrote:
Of course one has be rather strange to be playing
golf standing in the pouring rain with lightening
all around. And pretty negligent digging in the
dirt and not washing up before sticking their
fingers in the eye.
Ummm, I'll agree with the dirt part. Pouring rain
with a bit of lightening has to be weighed against
finishing this round so you can make the tee time
for your afternoon round at the other course...
-Quick
...or, you could get struck by lightening and
contract fusarium from lying face down in a mud
puddle afterwards.
DrG
I needed a good laugh. You guys a tooooo funny. Go
play some golf, but before that...
explain to me how a 16 year old contracts this
fusarium infection in the dead of winter in North
Dakota using this product when at the time they
claimed you could only get it in tropical climates?
Are you implying that the product itself is
contaminated? So far I've only heard that it might
not kill fusarium.
-Quick
Well, here's an interesting article. Any comments? I
am more concerned about Acanthamoeba than fusarium.
Lens inventor warns of eye infection risk
May 23, 2006 | www.scottsman.com
The man who invented the daily disposable contact lens
has warned that anyone who uses a solution to clean
their lenses is at risk of serious eye infections.
Hmmm. Wonder if he gets royalties?
DrG
Of course, he's hyping his own product. Good for him if
it keeps our eyes safer. But he must have seen some
problems (and money potential, of course) to develop a
daily throw away.
Really? Don't you think it more likely the objective was
entirely for convenience? People love disposable things
for the convenience and will tolerate a much greater cost
for it. The added safety may well have been a secondary
bonus.
-Quick
Well, I could certainly ask him what his motive was if I
wanted to.
Given what happened to my daughter, I am glad we had the
option of a daily disposable. My son was very content in
glasses until he turned 18 and met a girl who said he
looked better without them. Other family members and
friends have turned to a daily disposable as well also
because of what happened to my daughter. If everyone
has such poor hygiene habits like all of you claim and
what an industry wants everyone to believe (that is
debatable in my opinion), then daily disposables remain a
good choice whatever his objective. Profits remain a key
to any business and that will never change. What needs
to change is the FDA's total protection to the consumer.
Alright. I think I'm getting a better picture of your adgenda.
My feeling is there should be some responsibility on the patient.
I don't want "total" protection by the FDA.
I DO want to be completely informed of risks and then make
my own decision. I'm aware there is an increased risk of
eye infection by wearing contacts. I thought about it, I'm OK
with it and decided to go ahead.
-Quick
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Exactly right! I want to be FULLY informed of ALL risks and then make
my own decision as well. That is all I believe any of us want. Total
protection by the FDA will never happen, but that is supposed to be the
only job of the FDA, to protect the public, not the companies. Of
course, patients bear some responsibility, but how can they if they are
not aware of all risks, i.e., swimming with contacts, hots tubs, lakes,
pools, tap water? Where are these disclosures on any of these
products. We have a medical profession that is not even aware of
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Dr. Leukoma
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mb wrote:
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Well, I could certainly ask him what his motive was if I wanted to.
Given what happened to my daughter, I am glad we had the option of a
daily disposable. My son was very content in glasses until he turned 18
and met a girl who said he looked better without them. Other family
members and friends have turned to a daily disposable as well also
because of what happened to my daughter. If everyone has such poor
hygiene habits like all of you claim and what an industry wants
everyone to believe (that is debatable in my opinion), then daily
disposables remain a good choice whatever his objective. Profits
remain a key to any business and that will never change. What needs to
change is the FDA's total protection to the consumer.
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Yes, but some patients still want clear vision 24/7 which means
continuous wear lenses, and not daily disposables.
There will always be risk.
I have noted that your daughter's eye doctor is fellowship trained in
LASIK.
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Quick
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Re: will acuvvue oasys or advance 2 be okay for swimming?
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mb wrote:
| Quote: | Quick wrote:
Alright. I think I'm getting a better picture of your
agenda. My feeling is there should be some
responsibility on the patient. I don't want "total"
protection by the FDA.
I DO want to be completely informed of risks and then
make
my own decision. I'm aware there is an increased risk of
eye infection by wearing contacts. I thought about it,
I'm OK with it and decided to go ahead.
-Quick
Exactly right! I want to be FULLY informed of ALL risks
and then make my own decision as well. That is all I
believe any of us want. Total protection by the FDA will
never happen, but that is supposed to be the only job of
the FDA, to protect the public, not the companies. Of
course, patients bear some responsibility, but how can
they if they are not aware of all risks, i.e., swimming
with contacts, hots tubs, lakes, pools, tap water? Where
are these disclosures on any of these products. We have
a medical profession that is not even aware of and/or
debates these risks as insignificant statistics.
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Life has inherent risks. We don't and can't know all of them.
You will never know all the risks. You will never be FULLY
informed. Now or in the future.
The medical profession can't know all of them. No one and
no organization can give you total protection. Sometimes
people are injured, maimed, and die due to no fault of their
own or anyone else. It can't be totally prevented. That's life
It's an accepted practice with products to say what they
*will* do and not what they won't do.
It's well known that there is an increased risk of infection
as a result of wearing contacts.
I don't know what the B&L product says. If it states that
it will kill *all* bad organisms then I would feel they are
at fault. If the product itself actively caused some harm
without any disclosure of the risk I would feel they were
at fault. If the product was contaminated while in control
of the company I would feel they were at fault. I don't
expect any product to list all the things it *won't* do
unless one of those things is generally (statistic) expected
from like products.
-Quick |
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