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David Wright
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 Posted: Sat Apr 15, 2006 1:11 am Post subject:
Re: Iron overload reaching epidemic levels worldwide
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In article <q7q%f.24594$Mj.20093@twister.nyroc.rr.com>,
bwebb30 <bwebb30@yahoo.com> wrote:
| Quote: | It's nice to see, once again, after a several year absence, things haven't
really changed here.....
Edward J. Mathes, RPA-C
Department of Imaging Sciences
PET/CT Center
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Ain't it the truth, Ed? Some of the players change, though. Nice to
see you drop by.
-- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net
These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct.
"If you can't say something nice, then sit next to me."
-- Alice Roosevelt Longworth
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"David Wright" <wright@l1000.prodigy.net> wrote in message
news:ydj%f.9821$%m4.9636@newssvr33.news.prodigy.com...
In article <1144861932.643977.152080@i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>,
PeterB <pkm@mytrashmail.com> wrote:
Here is a link you might find interesting. It's a vegetarian website
that I didn't have time to read over completely, but what I did read
seems pretty consistent with what we know and seems to over good advice
on the dietary side of the equation.
PeterB
What are you doing, hoping he'll go crazy looking for the missing
link?
-- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net
These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct.
"If you can't say something nice, then sit next to me."
-- Alice Roosevelt Longworth
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David Wright
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| Posted: Sat Apr 15, 2006 1:12 am Post subject:
Re: Iron overload reaching epidemic levels worldwide
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In article <1144935506.295840.125750@i39g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
PeterB <pkm@mytrashmail.com> wrote:
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David Wright wrote:
In article <1144861932.643977.152080@i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>,
PeterB <pkm@mytrashmail.com> wrote:
Here is a link you might find interesting. It's a vegetarian website
that I didn't have time to read over completely, but what I did read
seems pretty consistent with what we know and seems to over good advice
on the dietary side of the equation.
PeterB
What are you doing, hoping he'll go crazy looking for the missing
link?
No, I think he found that already (in his view, at least.)
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Possibly so, but there was certainly no URL in your posting. Does
this make YOU the missing link?
-- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net
These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct.
"If you can't say something nice, then sit next to me."
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ironjustice@aol.com
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Buddha
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| Posted: Tue Apr 18, 2006 2:52 am Post subject:
Re: Asbestosis - Who''s right?
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lps3@webtv.net wrote:
| Quote: | A couple years ago my father fell on the ice and hurt his shoulder. I
took him to the hospital. The ER doctor ordered x-rays and a catscan. He
said my father had asbestosis and that there was asbestos all through
his lungs.
When he saw his doctor a couple days later, I asked about the
asbestosis. He had no idea what I was talking about and asked where I
got that idea. I gave him the name of the ER doctor.
Later I went to the hospital to talk with the ER doctor. A different
doctor was there and I explained how the other doctor had pointed out
asbestos specks on the xrays. This doctor said asbestos can't be seen on
an x-ray, He said a lung was must be done.
Over the past few days I've been reading quite a bit about this and
every source says asbestosis is often first discovered on an x-ray and
this is sometimes followed up by a catscan. No mention of a "lung wash".
So, who is right?
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A chest x-ray can confirm asbestosis, but extensive damage must be
present before a conventional x-ray tells the tale. A CT-Scan can show
the earlier stages of asbestosis.
What did your dad do for a living. I'm an RN and a tradesman and have
done extensive research into this disease. The amounts of asbestos the
general public inhale on a daily basis in public buildings is Felonious,
but all state authorities with the cooperation of the local DPH's keep
it under raps. Google search: ACM in public buildings. Public Schools
have murdered 1,000's of children. |
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Buddha
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| Posted: Tue Apr 18, 2006 3:05 am Post subject:
Re: Asbestosis - Who''s right?
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lps3@webtv.net wrote:
| Quote: | A couple years ago my father fell on the ice and hurt his shoulder. I
took him to the hospital. The ER doctor ordered x-rays and a catscan. He
said my father had asbestosis and that there was asbestos all through
his lungs.
When he saw his doctor a couple days later, I asked about the
asbestosis. He had no idea what I was talking about and asked where I
got that idea. I gave him the name of the ER doctor.
Later I went to the hospital to talk with the ER doctor. A different
doctor was there and I explained how the other doctor had pointed out
asbestos specks on the xrays. This doctor said asbestos can't be seen on
an x-ray, He said a lung was must be done.
Over the past few days I've been reading quite a bit about this and
every source says asbestosis is often first discovered on an x-ray and
this is sometimes followed up by a catscan. No mention of a "lung wash".
So, who is right?
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Mesothelioma isn't Asbestosis. Experts say the SV 40 from Polio Vaccines
yrs. ago set the DNA damage needed to cause this cancer 50 years after
asbestos exposure. 6 weeks after a diagnosis of mestheliomia you will
be in the ground..... period. It's an excruciating way to die too,some
Doc's say it's worse than dying from AIDS. 100 Thousand TONS of 3%
asbestos fireproofing covered NYC when the Towers collapsed. How many
reports even mention this fiber? None. Every building, every apartment,
every store within in miles of ground zero is contaminated and noone has
pressed to clean this up. Keep in mind noone mentions the fact that
asbestos fibers cause brain cancer, kidney cancer, esophageal cancer,
intestinal cancer, liver cancer, breast cancer and the list goes on.
The fiber is the size of an air molecule and it enters the blood thru
the lungs and lodges into vital organs as well as the lungs. 5,000,000
fibers can comfortably sit on the head of a pin. Do the math. America is
going to learn the horrors of asbestos exposure first hand in the coming
years due to 9/11, despite the cover up.
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Kumar
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Re: Is hypertension an inflammatory process?
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ironjustice@aol.com wrote:
| Quote: | Kumar wrote:
"Local blood flow control can be divided into two phases;
1) Acute - rapid change constriction/dilatation of arteriols,
metarteriol et spincters.
2) Long-term control provides a better control by increasing/decreasing
the physical size and number of blood vessels supplying the tissues. "
It may be useful to understand above.
But, inflammation may encourage more fluid filteration by dialation
wheras some hypotencive medicines also act be dilation?
Furthur, theee may be some opposition of blood flow and pressure in
upstream and downstream vessels due to local blood flow controls which
may cause some confusions in understanding
Actually Kumar .. it is the increased blood cells which cause the ..
chronic ... low grade inflammation ..
Vegetarians switching to a meat eating diet have their hematcrits go up
and when switching back have it go .. down.. again.
Meat eaters switching to a vegetarian diet have their hematocrits go
down and when switching back have it go .. up.
PROVING .. since BOTH .. groups .. were healthy men .. THAT ..
'availability' .. accessibility .. OF .. iron .. the HIGHLY absorbable
form of iron from meat .. exclusively .. meat .. CAUSES .. an ..
ABNORMAL .. increase .. in red blood cell production WHICH ..
coincidentally is accompanied by INCREASED c-reactive protein.
Sooooo .. one could theorize the 'slight' increase in hematocrit ..
which 'they' seem to think is "no big deal" .. is actually .. after ALL
.. a .. big .. deal.
Chronic low grade inflammation caused by increased viscosity of the
blood .. due to increased red blood cell count.
Who loves ya.
Tom
Jesus Was A Vegetarian!
http://jesuswasavegetarian.7h.com
Man Is A Herbivore!
http://tinyurl.com/a3cc3
DEAD PEOPLE WALKING
http://tinyurl.com/zk9fk
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May be. Btw, whether iron is a vasoconstrictor or vasodilator, directly
or indirectly? I think any increase in nutrients, O2 etc. may cause
vasoconstriction and vasodilation in case of deffciency? |
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Straydog
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Hospital collusion to maintain low pay for nurses
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From WSJ, Wed, June 21, 2006, page B2
title: "Lawsuits Say Hospitals Colluded To Maintain Low Pay for Nurses"
by Kris Maher
---quote of entire article follows-----
Four lawsuits filed in federal courts in four cities allege that
hospitals colluded to keep nurse's pay artificially low despite concerns
of a nursing shortage.
The suits, which seek class-action status, allege the hospital systems
shared information on pay practices with an understanding that hospitals
wouldn't outbid each other to recruit nurses.
The lawsuits--put together with the help of the Service Employees
International Union, which represents nurses as well as home-health-care
workers and others--were filed yesterday in Chicago, San Antionio,
Memphis, Tenn., and Albany, N.Y., against more than 17 hospitals and
allege that they violated antitrust laws by exchanging nonpublic
information about nurse's pay.
Six nurses are named as plaintifs in the four cases, but several thousand
nurses in each city could be eligible to participate if class-action
status is granted by a judge, according to Daniel Small, a partner at
Cohen, Milstein, Hausfeld & toll PLLC, in Washington, D.C., which brought
the suits. He said the firm estimated that nurses at several Chicago
hospitals were underpaid by about $5,000 a year.
The accusations are based on information lawyers gathered from interviews
with dozens of former and current employees at the hospital systems, Mr.
Small said. The estimated wage losses came from economists, he said.
Eschelle Rutschman, a spokeswoman for Baptist Memorial Health Care Corp.,
a Memphis regional health-care system named in one lawsuit, said the suit
is "completely without merit." She added, "We use industry-standard, legal
practices to adjust salaries." Bill Van Slyke, a spokesman for Healthcare
Association of New York State, which represents more than 550 nonprofit
and public hospitals and other public hospitals called the allegations
"outrageous" and added he thought the lawsuits were fueled more by the
organizing interests of SEIU.
Pay for registered nurses has risen in recent years. Median weekly cash
earnings for registered nurses rose to &931 a week last year, up from $781
a week in 2000, according to the Bureau of Labor Statistics.
Some nurses' advocates, including unions, say pay for nurses hasn't kept
pace. A union-commissioned study released in March by the Institute for
Women's Policy Research found that wages for nurses employed in hospitals
fell from 2003 to 2004, despite complaints of a nursing shortage. The
study examined wage data for more than 18,000 nurses compiled by the
Bureau of Labor Statistics.
According to a report released by the American Hospital Association in
April, U.S. hospitals needed roughly 118,000 registered nurses to fill
vacant positions as of December 2005.
"This is certainly not just a four-cities problem," said Andy Stern,
president of SEIU, which represents 84,000 nurses in 23 states. "Employers
are screaming about a shortage and creating the ingredient that fuels the
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Marcus Aurelius
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| Posted: Wed Jun 28, 2006 7:32 pm Post subject:
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I attempted to reply to this post but was forced to utelize a new post.
This is the reply that I made to this original post:
Thank you for the post. According to communist theory, capitalist
societies tend to take an oppressive and predatory attitude towards
those skilled workers who have the most unpleasant jobs. The oppressive
attitude and predatory tactics are proportional to the requisite skill,
training, and unpleasentness of the job.
Why do capitalist societies do the same? Because they want to keep
wages, working conditions, and job security low.
With 40% of nurses in the USA now foreign born, it can be readily be
seen that health care employers, with the assistance of government,
have taken extreme steps to maintain low wages, poor working
conditions, and poor job security for nurses.
I am definitely not a communist. In fact, I guess you could call me
part conservative and part libertarian. It is my opinion that the two
party "winner take all" form of electoral representation in the USA is,
in part, responsible for the current poor labor conditions for workers
in the USA.
Therefore, the USA should replace it's "winner take all" form of
electoral representation with some form of "proportional electoral"
respresentation, if the American worker and the American people are to
have both economic and political justice.
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Day Brown
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Marcus Aurelius wrote:
| Quote: | I attempted to reply to this post but was forced to utelize a new post.
This is the reply that I made to this original post:
Thank you for the post. According to communist theory, capitalist
societies tend to take an oppressive and predatory attitude towards
those skilled workers who have the most unpleasant jobs. The oppressive
attitude and predatory tactics are proportional to the requisite skill,
training, and unpleasentness of the job.
Why do capitalist societies do the same? Because they want to keep
wages, working conditions, and job security low.
With 40% of nurses in the USA now foreign born, it can be readily be
seen that health care employers, with the assistance of government,
have taken extreme steps to maintain low wages, poor working
conditions, and poor job security for nurses.
I am definitely not a communist. In fact, I guess you could call me
part conservative and part libertarian. It is my opinion that the two
party "winner take all" form of electoral representation in the USA is,
in part, responsible for the current poor labor conditions for workers
in the USA.
Therefore, the USA should replace it's "winner take all" form of
electoral representation with some form of "proportional electoral"
respresentation, if the American worker and the American people are to
have both economic and political justice.
Mite be nice, but wont happen. |
Even if it did, it would not work. The human genome data is in; the
biochemistry of the mind, and the interaction of genetic
endowment/challenge with the effects of nutritional diets of junkfood &
chemical contamination has produced an obvious decline in academic test
scores, the rise in Autism, ADD, ADHD, etc. But its also produced a wide
general level of mental pathology in the voters. Which is why the
political strategists dont speak of using rational discourse, but how
hit emotional hot buttons to get someone elected.
The result is demagogic leadership that is also inept and corrupt; you
cant run a democracy without a rational electorate. It dont matter what
the rules are, singleminded political savants will figure out ways
around them, or break the rules. Even if you catch them, that dont mean
that the republic was run responsibly til then.
Part of it is genetic; the competent women have had 1-2 kids, if any.
The client class has been outbreeding them, which is why we import
competent nurses. I saw a panel of nurses discuss the shortage, and one
nurse admit, that if they want talented young women to grow up to take
their place, the competent nurses will have to bear them themselves. I
guess they could donate eggs and provide the funding for less trainable
women to bear babies with more future. Just cause they cont learn to be
competent nurses dont mean they dont have the instinct to become caring
mothers. But I dont see a political mandate to do that. |
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Mortimer Schnerd, RN
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nyscof@gmail.com wrote:
| Quote: | Prevention Magazine Fluoridation Article published
"The Danger in Your Water Fluoride has been tied to bone cancer,
lower IQs, and osteoporosis. So why is it still being added to your
water? " by Timothy Gower.
http://www.prevention.com/water/fluoride_home
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It has been found that low levels of fluoride contribute to delusional thinking.
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Mortimer Schnerd, RN
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guarnot
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Marcus Aurelius wrote:
| Quote: | With 40% of nurses in the USA now foreign born,
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It's more like 3.5%....but why should that stop you?
| Quote: | According to communist theory, capitalist
societies tend to take an oppressive and predatory attitude towards
those skilled workers who have the most unpleasant jobs. The oppressive
attitude and predatory tactics are proportional to the requisite skill,
training, and unpleasentness of the job.
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And which work of "communist theory" is this from? |
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Kurt Ullman
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| Posted: Sun Jul 02, 2006 1:39 am Post subject:
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In article <1151802277.822468.100530@m79g2000cwm.googlegroups.com>,
"guarnot" <guarnot@aol.com> wrote:
| Quote: | Marcus Aurelius wrote:
With 40% of nurses in the USA now foreign born,
It's more like 3.5%....but why should that stop you?
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FWIW. Academy Health says it is 12% foreign-born. Doesn't say how
many, if in any, were foreign born but naturalized. I had a Finnish
lass in my nursing class who is foreign born and has worked in the US as
a nurse (after marrying another classmate) for 22 years now. Wonder if
she was counted. |
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Straydog
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| Posted: Sun Jul 02, 2006 2:45 am Post subject:
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On Sat, 1 Jul 2006, guarnot wrote:
| Quote: | Marcus Aurelius wrote:
With 40% of nurses in the USA now foreign born,
It's more like 3.5%....but why should that stop you?
According to communist theory, capitalist
societies tend to take an oppressive and predatory attitude towards
those skilled workers who have the most unpleasant jobs. The oppressive
attitude and predatory tactics are proportional to the requisite skill,
training, and unpleasentness of the job.
And which work of "communist theory" is this from?
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Let me step in with an "analogy" that was very well explained in a book
that was on the best seller list for many weeks:
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title: "Confessions of an Economic Hit Man"
author: John Perkins
ISBN: 1-57675-301-8, pub: Berrett-Koehler Publishers, Inc.
copyright 2004, $24.95 new, around $15 new or used on Amazon.
www.bkconnection.com, 250 pp, incl. author info, index,
many pages of references and sources including some www URLs.
What Economic Hit Men (EHMs) do:
Quotes--
from page xvii of the Prologue:
"...we build a global empire. We are an elite
group of men and women who utilize
international finance organizations to foment
conditions that make other nations subservient
to the corporatocracy running our biggest
corporations, our government, and our banks.
Like our counterparts in the Mafia, EHMs
provide favors. These take the form of loans
to develop infrastructure--electric generating
plants, highways, ports, airports, or
industrial parks. A condition of of such loans
is that engineering and construction companies
from our own country must build all of these
projects. In essence, most of the money never
leaves the United States; it is simply
transferred from the banking offices in
Washington to engineering offices in New York,
Houston, or San Francisco."
"Despite the fact that the money is returned
almost immediately to corporations that are
members of the corporatocracy (the creditors),
the recipient country is required to pay it
all back, principal plus interest. If an EHM
is completely successful, the loans are so
large that the debtor is forced to default on
its payments after a few years. When this
happens, then like the Mafia we demand our
pound of flesh. This often includes one or
more of the following: control over United
Nations votes, the installation of military
bases, or access to precious resources such as
oil or the Panama Canal. Of course, the debtor
still owes us the money--and another country
is added to our global empire."
from page xiii of the Prologue:
"Because of my fellow EHMs and me, Ecuador is
in far worse shape today than she was before
we introduced her to the miracles of modern
economics, banking, and engineering. Since
1970, during this period known euphemistically
as the Oil Boom, the official poverty level
grew from 50 to 70 percent, under- or
unemployment increased from 15 to 70 percent,
and public debt increased from $240 million to
$16 billion. Meanwhile, the share of national
resources allocated to the poorest segments of
the population declined from 20 to 6 percent."
from page xx of the Prologue:
"For every $100 of crude taken out of the
Ecuadorian rain forests, the oil companies
receive $75. Of the remaining $25, three-
quarters must go to paying off the foreign
debt. Most of the remainder covers military
and other government expenses--which leaves
about $2.50 for health, education, and
programs aimes at helping the poor."
from page xxi of the Prologue:
"We seldom resort to anything illegal because
the system itself is built on subterfuge, and
the system is by definition legitimate."
"However--and this is a very large caveat--if
we fail, and even more sinister breed steps
in, ones we EHMs refer to as the jackals, men
who trace their heritage directly to those
earlier empires. When they emerge, heads of
state are overthrown or die in violent
"accidents." And, if by chance the jackals
fail, as they failed in Afghanistan and Iraq,
then the old models resurface [meaning troops
are sent in]."
from page 16, Chapter 2:
"Claudine and I openly discussed the deceptive
nature of GNP. For instance, the growth of GNP
may result even when it profits only one
person, such as an individual who owns a
utility company, and even if the majority of
the population is burdened with debt. The rich
get richer and the poor grow poorer. Yet, from
a statistical standpoint, this is recorded as
economic progress."
from page 19, Chapter 2:
"By the time I enrolled in BU's business
school, a solution to the Roosevelt-as-CIA-
agent problem had already been worked out.
U.S. intelligence agencies--including the NSA-
-would identify prospective EHMs, who could
then be hired by international corporations.
These EHMs would never be paid by the
government; instead, they would draw their
salaries from the private sector. As a result,
their dirty work, if exposed, would be chalked
up to corporate greed rather than to
government policy. In addition, the
corporations that hired them, although paid by
government agencies and their multinational
banking counterparts (with taxpayer money),
would be insulated from congressional
oversight and public scrutiny, shielded by a
growing body of legal initiatives, including
trademarks, international trade, and Freedom
of Information laws."
Around pages 84 and after, the author mentions
an agreement made with the government of Saudi
Arabia to build up its infrastructure. The
arrangements were a little different. Instead
of using US money which flowed to the foreign
country as debt but which in reality just
flowed to corporate bank accounts, Saudi oil
dollars came to the corporate bank accounts to
pay for those airports, malls, etc., and part
of the deal, which ran over a 25 year period,
was that the Saudi govt would guarantee a
minimum amount of oil production targeted for
delivery to the USA and within price ranges
acceptable to the USA and in return for this,
the US government would provide whatever
military assistance the Saudi royal family
would ever need to defend its dominion over
Saudi Arabia (the author says it was an offer
they could not refuse).
from page 102:
"I brought a young MIT mathematician, Dr.
Nadipuram Prasad, into my department and gave
him a budget. Within six months he developed a
Markov method for econometric modeling.
Together we hammered out a series of technical
papers that presented Markov as a
revolutionary method for forecasting the
impact of infrastructure investment on
economic development.
next paragraph, same page:
"It was exactly what we wanted: a tool that
scientifically "proved" we were doing
countries a favor by helping them incur debts
they would never be able to pay off. In
addition, only a highly skilled econometrician
with lots of time and money could possibly
comprehend the intricacies of Markov or
question its conclusion."
from page 160:
"The Bechtel Group, Inc., was a prime example
of the cozy relationship between private
companies and the U.S. government. I knew
Bechtel well; we at MAIN often worked closely
with the company, and its cheif architect
became a close personal friend. Bechtel [there
is at least one whole book on Bechtel and its
secrecy and secret dealings] was the United
States' most influential engineering and
construction company. Its president and senior
officers included George Shultz and Caspar
Weinberger, who despised Torrijos [who later
died in a mysterious accident] because he
brazenly courted a Japanese plan to replace
Panama's existing canal with a new, more
efficient one."
The rest of the book gives details on the
author's involvment in EHM activities in many
other countries and reveals how the author's
conscience began to bother him to the point
where he vowed to expose this work by writing
the above book. For those people wishing to
delve more deeply into such issues, one need
only look at the bottom of the page after the
title page for hints on where else to look.
Here one will often find something like the
following (quoted from this book). Read it
carefully.
"1. Perkins, John. 1945- 2. United States.
National Security Agency--Biography. 3.
Economists--United States--Biography. 4.
Energy consultants--United States--Biography.
5 Intelligence agents--United States--
Biography. 6 Chas. T. Main, Inc. 7. World
Bank--Developing countries. 8 Corporations,
American--Foreign countries. 9. Corporations,
American--Corrupt practices. 10. Imperialism--
History--20th century. 11. Imperialism--
History--21st century I. Title.
UB271.U52P47 2004
332'.042'092--dc22" |
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guarnot
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Where are the AcademyHealth data from? The figure I was using (from the
2004 National Sample Survey of RNs) was actually for foreign-educated
RNs in the U.S--so the figure for foreign-born is surely higher.
("Marcus" referred to "foreign-born," but I'm not sure if he really
meant foreign-educated.) There are, of course, many RNs who were born
in other countries and attended nursing school in the U.S. sometime
after emigrating. I doubt that they account for 11.5% of all US RNs.
And I'm not sure what "Marcus" could possibly object to as far as these
U.S.-educated nurses working in the U.S., but I can seldom figure out
what he's saying anyway.
Kurt Ullman wrote:
| Quote: | In article <1151802277.822468.100530@m79g2000cwm.googlegroups.com>,
"guarnot" <guarnot@aol.com> wrote:
Marcus Aurelius wrote:
With 40% of nurses in the USA now foreign born,
It's more like 3.5%....but why should that stop you?
FWIW. Academy Health says it is 12% foreign-born. Doesn't say how
many, if in any, were foreign born but naturalized. I had a Finnish
lass in my nursing class who is foreign born and has worked in the US as
a nurse (after marrying another classmate) for 22 years now. Wonder if
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