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Starlight
medicine forum Guru Wannabe
Joined: 30 Apr 2005
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 Posted: Sun Mar 12, 2006 4:00 am Post subject:
Re: Can "Burning" Pain Kill?
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On 11 Mar 2006 19:47:00 -0800, "Radium" <glucegen1@excite.com> posted:
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I wonder what would happen if each of my voluntary muscles [including
speech muscles; excluding breathing muscles] were completely relaxed
into a state of total paralysis [and could not contract or "un-relax"
no matter how much stimulation those muscles recieved] and someone
surrounded me with oxyacetylene flames and burned the skin all around
my body resulting in extensive superficial partial-thickness burns.
Lets also say -- for some magical reason -- the burns did not cause
immune responses [or affect my immune system at all], inflammatory
reactions, or hypovolemic shock, and that my environment was totally
sterile [free of infective agents], free of allergens [and other
irritants] and that the burns had no affect on my respiratory system at
all. In addition, let's say that the pain I experienced did not cause
hyperventilation and did not affect the respiratory system or immune
system at all and that I was totally conscious during this burning
procedure. Last but not least, lets say I am otherwise [other than the
burns and paralysis] totally healthy. What effects would the
excruciating pain of the burns have on my nervous and circulatory
systems? Would those effects be fatal?
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Mr-Natural-Health
medicine forum Guru
Joined: 01 May 2005
Posts: 1807
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| Posted: Sun Mar 19, 2006 2:54 pm Post subject:
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cathyBrainless wrote:
| Quote: | johngohde@naturalhealthperspective.com wrote:
cathyBrainless wrote:
For instance, a person who had 15-month-old triplets would deserve
sympathy (3 babies, only 2 breasts!), envy (3 babies, only *1*
pregnancy), and respect, but certainly not the scorn you exhibit here.
However, I myself have four children, all singleton births, all of whom
are long out of nappies and formula. Although I can't deny that my job
editing scientific manuscripts has its moments of tedium.
Perhaps, if you were to focus?
Your children have my sympathies, while you only have my condolences.
Wars are for forever, dear.
You would know this, if only you had a brain, CathyBrainless.
Hey, Gohde. It's not my fault that you're a bigoted halfwit capable of
saying:
Get over it.
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Hey, CathyBrainless. It is not my fault that you are JUST a mental
female.
While you persist in being JUST a mental female I have successfully
converted my web site into a Multilingual site. 
http://naturalhealthperspective.com/contact/viewedby.html
I even offer web pages written in German, French, and Spanish. I have
even promoted Google and Google's web browser Toolbar on multiple web
pages, in my own small way. Who knows, maybe in a few years I will
offer foreign language versions, of all my core web pages? It would be
pretty easy to do.
http://naturalhealthperspective.com/contact/deutsch.html
http://naturalhealthperspective.com/contact/espanol.html
http://naturalhealthperspective.com/contact/francais.html
What have you ever done, other than be mental?
Please feel Free and make more babies. After all, what else are mental
females good for? Certainly, they themselves don't write scientific
papers. Not even a web site. Ha, ... Hah, Ha!
Yes, I also really need to publish my own research paper somewhere.
Just to really piss off you Science Geeks.
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John Gohde,
Achieving good health is an Art, NOT a Science!
The http://NaturalHealthPerspective.com website is a Multilingual,
cross-browser, cross-platform friendly site which offers no Web
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Starlight
medicine forum Guru Wannabe
Joined: 30 Apr 2005
Posts: 186
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| Posted: Sun Mar 19, 2006 7:06 pm Post subject:
Re: Can "Burning" Pain Kill?
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On Sun, 19 Mar 2006 19:00:22 GMT, "Arcie Mizelle"
<arciemizelle@frontiernet.net> posted:
| Quote: | You can't possibly be serious on this question, because your "let's say..."
conditions are eliminating 90% of the bodies normal response. Your
conditions have limited the argument to a decomposing pile of tissue unable
to mount a healing response, much less an inflammatory response. You are
like the person who takes the hands of his watch to a repair shop without
the watch because the hands weren't moving and you expect the watch
repairman to fix the problem.
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Norminn
medicine forum Guru Wannabe
Joined: 05 May 2005
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| Posted: Mon Mar 20, 2006 12:51 am Post subject:
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Starlight wrote:
| Quote: | On Sun, 19 Mar 2006 19:00:22 GMT, "Arcie Mizelle"
arciemizelle@frontiernet.net> posted:
You can't possibly be serious on this question, because your "let's say..."
conditions are eliminating 90% of the bodies normal response. Your
conditions have limited the argument to a decomposing pile of tissue unable
to mount a healing response, much less an inflammatory response. You are
like the person who takes the hands of his watch to a repair shop without
the watch because the hands weren't moving and you expect the watch
repairman to fix the problem.
LOL Exactly!
I did a Google search on the OP's posting history. Seems to be someone |
who wants attention from the medical/nursing community. Appears to have
the intelligence to know his/her questions are "out there" - no purpose.
It is troubling that he/she chose to cross-post to
alt.support.chronic-pain. |
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RalphRepo
medicine forum addict
Joined: 14 Mar 2006
Posts: 57
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| Posted: Mon Mar 20, 2006 3:16 am Post subject:
Re: Can "Burning" Pain Kill?
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| Quote: | On Mon, 20 Mar 2006 00:51:13 GMT, Norminn <norminn@earthlink.net> wrote:
Starlight wrote:
On Sun, 19 Mar 2006 19:00:22 GMT, "Arcie Mizelle"
arciemizelle@frontiernet.net> posted:
You can't possibly be serious on this question, because your "let's say..."
conditions are eliminating 90% of the bodies normal response. Your
conditions have limited the argument to a decomposing pile of tissue unable
to mount a healing response, much less an inflammatory response. You are
like the person who takes the hands of his watch to a repair shop without
the watch because the hands weren't moving and you expect the watch
repairman to fix the problem.
LOL Exactly!
I did a Google search on the OP's posting history. Seems to be someone
who wants attention from the medical/nursing community. Appears to have
the intelligence to know his/her questions are "out there" - no purpose.
It is troubling that he/she chose to cross-post to
alt.support.chronic-pain.
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What is this now? Munchhausen by internet?
Ralph |
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David Wright
medicine forum Guru
Joined: 25 Mar 2005
Posts: 750
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Re: The Age of Autism: Allergic responses
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In article <dvqs7a$pkd$1@nwrdmz01.dmz.ncs.ea.ibs-infra.bt.com>,
john <scu23@btinternet.com> wrote:
| Quote: | http://www.upi.com/ConsumerHealthDaily/view.php?StoryID=20060321-104858-2346r
The Age of Autism: Allergic responses
United Press International - USA
The Age of Autism: Allergic responses
By DAN OLMSTED
UPI Senior Editor
A plausible link is emerging between widely used childhood medicines and
the risk of developing allergies and especially asthma. But you'd never
know it from listening to federal health authorities or reading the
mainstream press.
The latest case in point: USA Today this week is tackling the roots of
allergies and examining new treatments based on the idea that children may
be getting too little -- not too much -- exposure to allergens.
"To head off allergies, expose your kids to pets and dirt early. Really."
That was the headline on the front-and-center page 1 story Monday by Steve
Steinberg.
"The new approach to allergy prevention and treatment arises from a
paradox," Steinberg writes. "Known as the hygiene hypothesis, it suggests
that growing up in cities and suburbs, away from fields and farm animals,
leaves people more susceptible to a host of immune disorders, including
allergies and asthma."
The article goes on to ask: "What about urban life is triggering a rash of
allergies and autoimmune diseases? It's a good question, and not an easy
one to answer." (Disclosure: I was an editor at USA Today in the 1980s.)
While the hygiene hypothesis may help explain the huge rise in allergies
and asthma, particularly among children, since 1980, there could be more
going on here than an absence of cows and cornfields.
Just last week researchers reported a possible link between antibiotics and
asthma -- "A new study has found that infants younger than 12 months who
have had antibiotics may be more likely to develop asthma when they get
older," the Salt Lake Tribune reported.
This was not some flaky anti-antibiotic study -- it was done by researchers
at the University of British Columbia and published in CHEST, the journal
of the American College of Chest Physicians. The researchers reviewed seven
studies that compared kids who got antibiotics before age one with kids who
didn't get any, and they were careful to report only an "association," not
proof of a cause-and-effect relationship.
In fact, antibiotic use may simply be a marker for kids who tend to have
more infections -- that could be the real link to developing asthma.
But if you're going to ask why "a host of immune disorders, including
allergies and asthma," are rising, you really cannot overlook the
iatrogenic hypothesis -- the idea that medicine might be at least partly
responsible for a problem medicine is trying to solve.
A related possibility -- warning, here comes the third rail of American
public health policy -- is that vaccines may play a role, and for a similar
reason. If the immune system gets stimulated too early and too often but
never by the real thing -- say, by the chicken pox vaccination rather than
by chicken pox itself -- it could get stuck in battle mode and start
attacking its own tissues.
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Which makes absolutely no sense, since the contents of the vaccine are
not that different from the real disease, so why wouldn't the disease
have the same effect? Similarly, the idea that the introduction of
vaccines is somehow radically different, or radically overloading the
immune system is stupid. Any infant or child encounters many, many
pathogens every day. Tossing in a few extras via vaccination is a
drop in the bucket.
Oh, it may be that the use of antibiotics does predispose kids to
asthma. Maybe. But tossing in vaccines, for no other reason than
that Olmstead is a loon, makes no sense here.
Then he drags in the unverifiable Homefirst claims, and I can't
believe he left out the Amish. Must have been an oversight.
-- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net
These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct.
"If you can't say something nice, then sit next to me."
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bwebb30
medicine forum beginner
Joined: 13 Apr 2006
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| Posted: Thu Apr 13, 2006 10:56 am Post subject:
Re: Iron overload reaching epidemic levels worldwide
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It's nice to see, once again, after a several year absence, things haven't
really changed here.....
Edward J. Mathes, RPA-C
Department of Imaging Sciences
PET/CT Center
"David Wright" <wright@l1000.prodigy.net> wrote in message
news:ydj%f.9821$%m4.9636@newssvr33.news.prodigy.com...
| Quote: | In article <1144861932.643977.152080@i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>,
PeterB <pkm@mytrashmail.com> wrote:
Here is a link you might find interesting. It's a vegetarian website
that I didn't have time to read over completely, but what I did read
seems pretty consistent with what we know and seems to over good advice
on the dietary side of the equation.
PeterB
What are you doing, hoping he'll go crazy looking for the missing
link?
-- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net
These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct.
"If you can't say something nice, then sit next to me."
-- Alice Roosevelt Longworth
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PeterB
medicine forum Guru
Joined: 28 Apr 2005
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| Posted: Thu Apr 13, 2006 1:38 pm Post subject:
Re: Iron overload reaching epidemic levels worldwide
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David Wright wrote:
| Quote: | In article <1144861932.643977.152080@i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>,
PeterB <pkm@mytrashmail.com> wrote:
Here is a link you might find interesting. It's a vegetarian website
that I didn't have time to read over completely, but what I did read
seems pretty consistent with what we know and seems to over good advice
on the dietary side of the equation.
PeterB
What are you doing, hoping he'll go crazy looking for the missing
link?
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No, I think he found that already (in his view, at least.)
| Quote: | -- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net
These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct.
"If you can't say something nice, then sit next to me."
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PeterB
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| Posted: Thu Apr 13, 2006 1:40 pm Post subject:
Re: Iron overload reaching epidemic levels worldwide
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bwebb30 wrote:
| Quote: | It's nice to see, once again, after a several year absence, things haven't
really changed here.....
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What do you mean?
| Quote: | Edward J. Mathes, RPA-C
Department of Imaging Sciences
PET/CT Center |
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RalphRepo
medicine forum addict
Joined: 14 Mar 2006
Posts: 57
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| Posted: Thu Apr 13, 2006 10:00 pm Post subject:
Re: Stroke protocol, update
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| Quote: | On 12 Apr 2006 21:34:40 -0700, "barb" <koltbarb@bluevalley.net> wrote:
hi, I know of several dr's that use morphine to increase blood flow to
the kidneys which will increasse urinary output. When we use to treat
patients with pulmonary edema, morphine was one of the drugs we used.
It helps to calm the patient, increase urinary output. Even with the
side effects of resp.depression, it is used. Never seen morphine cause
any harm. If resp depression occurs you treat it. And remembeer
morphine can be reversed if necesary. Thanks.
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"...never seen morphine cause any harm" is too inclusive a statement
for me. I would rather adhere to "...never seen morphine do any harm,
if used correctly."
Reversing an opiate requires someone to be in there fairly often to
monitor for respiratory depression. Many times, the SaO2 will be the
first thing to drop; so the question that should be bugging our
lawsuit seeking friend here is, was the patient's SaO2 being monitored
constantly, intermittently, or at all?
Granted, looking at vital signs at an instance is deceptive. I would
have like to have heard what the trend was over the patient's last 48
hours. A 60/40 should give many clinicians pause, at least to
agresssively look very closely at what's going on...
At any rate, with the understanding thus far in this case, I would
have personally been leery about giving any MS04 with that fragile a
pressure. But again, all of this is idle clinical speculation in a
vacuum; ie. it's meaningless without knowing all the rest of the
particulars. Does he have a lawsuit? Your guess is as good as mine.
Oh, and as for the morphine and urinary retention; it's a non-issue.
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RalphRepo
medicine forum addict
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| Posted: Thu Apr 13, 2006 10:45 pm Post subject:
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| Quote: | On Wed, 12 Apr 2006 12:17:54 -0400, lps3@webtv.net wrote:
A couple years ago my father fell on the ice and hurt his shoulder. I
took him to the hospital. The ER doctor ordered x-rays and a catscan. He
said my father had asbestosis and that there was asbestos all through
his lungs.
When he saw his doctor a couple days later, I asked about the
asbestosis. He had no idea what I was talking about and asked where I
got that idea. I gave him the name of the ER doctor.
Later I went to the hospital to talk with the ER doctor. A different
doctor was there and I explained how the other doctor had pointed out
asbestos specks on the xrays. This doctor said asbestos can't be seen on
an x-ray, He said a lung was must be done.
Over the past few days I've been reading quite a bit about this and
every source says asbestosis is often first discovered on an x-ray and
this is sometimes followed up by a catscan. No mention of a "lung wash".
So, who is right?
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http://www.netmedicine.com/xray/xr.htm
Look under "chest" PA and LAT views
....as in Posterior-Anterior and Lateral views, aka front to back and
side view.
And test your own asbestosis finding skills:
http://myweb.lsbu.ac.uk/~dirt/museum/unk-chest.html
Personally? I think the doc saw something that was really there, but
just that it was not asbestosis. That's why all xrays musts be
officially "read" by a radiologist, and the reason why all EKG's must
be officially read by a cardiologist, etc. They are clinical
specialties for good reason.
So before attaching any label to anything that you see, get the thing
looked at by the pro. Though they're all ballplayers, some guys pitch
and some guys play shortstop. An ED doctor is not an expert in every
sub specialty; frankly, he's an expect in none, except emergency
medicine usually. And that's for the big hospitals. A doc in the box
rural ED? You probably got an OB-GYN moonlighting for a few extra
bucks.
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ironjustice@aol.com
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Alf Christophersen
medicine forum Guru
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| Posted: Fri Apr 14, 2006 6:33 pm Post subject:
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On 14 Apr 2006 03:44:20 -0700, "ironjustice@aol.com"
<ironjustice@aol.com> wrote:
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Who loves ya.
Tom
Jesus Was A Vegetarian!
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Haha. I love it. Before I started to read I was about to write a
comment that ironjustice denies any occuring of anaemia. You just
defines it as non-existing.
Now, I would like to know what you are going to do if you get involved
in a car accident and loose most of your blood? (Denies a transfusion
since it is most healthy to be devoid of blood, maybe accepting
exchange the lost water fraction??)
I guess not. But, in fact then you accept anaemia exists. ? |
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ironjustice@aol.com
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Alf Christophersen
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| Posted: Fri Apr 14, 2006 9:15 pm Post subject:
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On 14 Apr 2006 12:51:57 -0700, "ironjustice@aol.com"
<ironjustice@aol.com> wrote:
| Quote: | going to do if you get involved
in a car accident and loose most of your blood
Any blood you lose is devoid of iron .. to a great extent ..
The iron has been shunted into your .. spleen ..
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Sorry, I can tell you will loose a lot of iron too. In the form of
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