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Starlight
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Joined: 30 Apr 2005
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 Posted: Wed Jan 04, 2006 12:20 am Post subject:
Re: Venous leg ulcers and elevation.
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On Tue, 3 Jan 2006 23:58:45 -0000, "Andrew Heenan"
<andrew4@heenan.net> posted:
| Quote: | "Chris Bacon" <chrispbacon@thai.com> wrote ...
A relative has chronic venous leg ulcers, one on each leg. Elevation
is apparently highly recommended. I am looking for information on ways
to elevate the limb(s), bearing in mind that these wounds are painful,
and that my relative's general mobility is poor, due to other
complaints, and to being overweight.
While it's good to see an assessment that extends beyond the wound, I still
think that elevation is much too narrow a solution.
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I didn't see the original post. Are the wounds being treated, as in
unna boots? I've seen them do wonders on venous stasis ulcers that
looked impossible to heal.
And as mentioned, dietary considerations are one of the most, if not
the most, important aspects of wound healing. Just because a person
is overweight, doesn't mean they are well nourished. Protein and Vit
C are vital in wound healing. Does the patient smoke? If so,
healing will be extremely difficult.
I don't understand the problem with elevation. Does the patient have
an easy chair? Is there an ottoman or stool in the home? Can he
put pillows under the calves while resting in bed?
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Anneke.A
medicine forum beginner
Joined: 29 Dec 2005
Posts: 5
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| Posted: Mon Jan 16, 2006 6:33 pm Post subject:
Re: Venous leg ulcers and elevation.
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"Starlight" <homehealth_rnDELETE@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:l15mr15s39e8ojeac9v22d0g001v2lkmg6@4ax.com...
| Quote: | On Tue, 3 Jan 2006 23:58:45 -0000, "Andrew Heenan"
andrew4@heenan.net> posted:
"Chris Bacon" <chrispbacon@thai.com> wrote ...
A relative has chronic venous leg ulcers, one on each leg. Elevation
is apparently highly recommended. I am looking for information on ways
to elevate the limb(s), bearing in mind that these wounds are painful,
and that my relative's general mobility is poor, due to other
complaints, and to being overweight.
While it's good to see an assessment that extends beyond the wound, I
still
think that elevation is much too narrow a solution.
I didn't see the original post. Are the wounds being treated, as in
unna boots? I've seen them do wonders on venous stasis ulcers that
looked impossible to heal.
And as mentioned, dietary considerations are one of the most, if not
the most, important aspects of wound healing. Just because a person
is overweight, doesn't mean they are well nourished. Protein and Vit
C are vital in wound healing. Does the patient smoke? If so,
healing will be extremely difficult.
I don't understand the problem with elevation. Does the patient have
an easy chair? Is there an ottoman or stool in the home? Can he
put pillows under the calves while resting in bed?
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What underlying disease are you treating? A venous leg ulcer usually is
about failing valves. What is up and running in Europe is a group of MD's
and nurses who are looking into standards for compression. The four layer
shortstretch system seems most promising at this time. It takes a trained
nurse to apply this on a regular basis. (Once per 3-4 days). Unna boots seem
to be very US at this time.
In order to prevent this condition I recommend regular walks or a lot of
dancing. (Preferrably accompanied by great Salsa). The diet will follow.
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Long Tongued Nelly at the
medicine forum beginner
Joined: 16 Jan 2006
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| Posted: Mon Jan 16, 2006 9:50 pm Post subject:
Mark McClellan messes with MEDICARE/MEDICAID like a crook!
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http://unemployment_crisis.tripod.com/HMOS_WeRphucked.html
January 16, 2006
GW Bush's Nursing Home Inspections Miss Violations, Report Says, and
HHS Bush appointed director Mark McClellan does a FEMA negation
By ROBERT PEAR
WASHINGTON, Jan. 15 - State inspectors often overlook serious
deficiencies, including life-threatening conditions, in the nation's
nursing homes, Congressional investigators say in a new report.
In the report, the investigators, from the Government Accountability
Office, questioned data used by the Bush administration in arguing that
its policies have fostered "significant improvements" in the nation's
nursing homes.
http://unemployment_crisis.tripod.com/HMOS_WeRphucked.html
Nursing homes must meet federal standards to participate in Medicaid
and Medicare. Homes are inspected by state employees working under
contract to the federal government.
Much of the apparent improvement has resulted from the fact that those
state inspectors "missed serious deficiencies" or understated their
severity, the accountability office said.
The Congressional investigators found pervasive understatement of
"serious deficiencies that cause actual harm or immediate jeopardy to
patients." The harm includes severe weight loss, "multiple falls
resulting in broken bones and other injuries, and serious, avoidable
pressure sores," the report said. The deficiencies included fire safety
violations.
The top Medicare official, Dr. Mark B. McClellan, said that he too was
"concerned about possible understatement or omission of serious
deficiencies" by state inspectors.
Over all, Dr. McClellan said, the quality of nursing home care has
improved in the last five years. But, he said, these gains are in
jeopardy because Congress has not provided enough money and state
budgets for this purpose are "very limited."
Dr. McClellan said the Bush administration wanted to link payment of
nursing homes to the quality of care they provide. He said he expected
to test such a "pay for performance" system this year.
Medicaid, the federal-state program for low-income people, covers
two-thirds of the nation's 1.6 million nursing home residents.
Together, Medicaid and Medicare spend more than $67 billion a year on
nursing home care.
The study was requested by Senators Charles E. Grassley, Republican of
Iowa, and Herb Kohl, Democrat of Wisconsin. "If state surveyors are
missing serious deficiencies in the quality of care, then the federal
government has not yet achieved the necessary level of improvement in
oversight of the inspection process," said Mr. Grassley, who is
chairman of the Finance Committee.
In its report, the Government Accountability Office made these points:
¶States often take weeks or months to start investigating reports of
harm to nursing home residents. These reports come from patients and
their relatives and from nursing home employees.
¶Some useful information on nursing home quality is available at a
federal Web site, but much of the data is inaccurate or unreliable.
¶The timing of inspections is highly predictable. This "allows homes
to conceal problems if they so desire."
¶Concerns about cost have delayed the installation of automatic
sprinkler systems in older nursing homes. More than 20 percent of homes
lack such fire protection devices. The industry wants the government to
help pay the installation costs, estimated at $1 billion.
Dr. McClellan said the proportion of nursing homes cited for serious
deficiencies had declined sharply, to 16 percent last year from 29
percent in 1999.
The Government Accountability Office found great variation from state
to state, and it suggested that inspectors were more rigorous in some
states.
| Quote: | From 2003 to 2005, the report said, California cited 6 percent of its
nursing homes for serious violations, while Connecticut cited 54 |
percent of its homes.
Senator Kohl said, "There are too many inconsistencies in what is
deemed a deficiency from state to state."
The accountability office said that some inspectors were confused about
the meaning of "actual harm." As a result, it said, the same conditions
are sometimes viewed as a violation of federal rules in one state but
not in others.
Texas reported a big decline in serious deficiencies over the last five
years. But one reason, the report said, is that Texas had "a
significant number of inexperienced surveyors" who were hesitant to
cite nursing homes for major violations.
The Bush administration said that, by some measures, the regulation of
nursing homes had improved. For example, it said, inspectors
investigated 47,124 complaints in 2004, reflecting an increase of 45
percent over the number investigated in 1999.
Moreover, Dr. McClellan said, inspectors have paid more attention to
fire safety since 31 people died in nursing home fires in Connecticut
and Tennessee in 2003. Inspectors identified 47,456 fire-safety
violations in 2004, an increase of 20 percent over the previous year.
Federal employees visit about 5 percent of the nation's 17,000 nursing
homes each year to validate the findings of state inspectors. In 28
percent of these visits from 2002 to 2004, the federal agents found
serious problems not detected by state inspectors. This proportion has
increased in recent years, from 22 percent in 2000 to 2001. |
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Twittering One
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Joined: 29 Apr 2005
Posts: 523
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| Posted: Mon Jan 23, 2006 9:12 pm Post subject:
Re: 16th International Congress on Care of the Terminally Ill (30)
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tom
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Joined: 01 Feb 2006
Posts: 2
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| Posted: Mon Feb 27, 2006 2:55 pm Post subject:
Re: Concord Police Department Officer Ron Turner is a fucken dirty black pig cop
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sananda@hotmail.com wrote:
| Quote: | Concord Police Department Officer Ron Turner is a
dirty black pig cop he stops you 2 times harass you strip
search you for over 8 hours for having 820 lbs. in a 1 ton
pu truck . he says if have 820lbs . in a 1 ton pu truck and
the tire load limt on ea tire is 1740lbs. you over loaded.
when you are 4080lbs. under tire load range .
then at court he walks up to the judge and says ALL
CHARGES DROPPED INSUFFICIENT EVIDENCE.
run tuner who is 300lb black dirty pig cop needs to go
hunting with dick cheney .
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weedfin@aol.com
medicine forum beginner
Joined: 27 Feb 2006
Posts: 1
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| Posted: Mon Feb 27, 2006 9:40 pm Post subject:
Re: Concord Police Department Officer Ron Turner is a fucken dirty black pig cop
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tom wrote:
| Quote: | sananda@hotmail.com wrote:
Concord Police Department Officer Ron Turner is a
dirty black pig cop he stops you 2 times harass you strip
search you for over 8 hours for having 820 lbs. in a 1 ton
pu truck . he says if have 820lbs . in a 1 ton pu truck and
the tire load limt on ea tire is 1740lbs. you over loaded.
when you are 4080lbs. under tire load range .
then at court he walks up to the judge and says ALL
CHARGES DROPPED INSUFFICIENT EVIDENCE.
run tuner who is 300lb black dirty pig cop needs to go
hunting with dick cheney .
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Might help if you take off your Hillary in 2008 bumper sticker.  |
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sailpowers@yahoo.com
medicine forum beginner
Joined: 28 Feb 2006
Posts: 1
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| Posted: Tue Feb 28, 2006 12:30 am Post subject:
Re: Concord Police Department Officer Ron Turner is a fucken dirty black pig cop
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I think Tom meant to post this on rec.I'm a racist whiner. |
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Kurt Ullman
medicine forum Guru Wannabe
Joined: 02 May 2005
Posts: 175
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| Posted: Tue Feb 28, 2006 1:17 am Post subject:
Re: Concord Police Department Officer Ron Turner is a fucken dirty black pig cop
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In article <1141086654.118845.18770@i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>,
sailpowers@yahoo.com wrote:
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I think Tom meant to post this on rec.I'm a racist whiner.
or perhaps alt.off.my.medication |
--
Then there was the runner-up: An infinite number of
rednecks riding in an infinite number of pickup trucks fire an
infinite number of shotgun rounds at an infinite number of
highway signs,eventually producing all the world's great
literary works in Braille.
BONG #469 |
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waybackjack
medicine forum beginner
Joined: 27 Feb 2006
Posts: 2
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| Posted: Tue Feb 28, 2006 11:59 am Post subject:
Re: Concord Police Department Officer Ron Turner is a fucken dirty black pig cop
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On 27 Feb 2006 16:30:54 -0800, sailpowers@yahoo.com wrote:
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I think Tom meant to post this on rec.I'm a racist whiner.
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Racist? For using the word "black"?
Wasn't too long ago that "black" was the word of choice.
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Mark Probert
medicine forum Guru
Joined: 01 May 2005
Posts: 1720
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| Posted: Sun Mar 05, 2006 4:39 pm Post subject:
Re: Autism Declines As Vaccines Remove Mercury
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Kathleen wrote:
| Quote: | mockingbird wrote:
I had mumps. I was vaccinated as a child from a batch that was recalled
and I was never revaccinated.
mumps is very unpleasant.
I had all three.
I survived fine without any vaccines.
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overman74@hotmail.com
medicine forum Guru
Joined: 11 Sep 2005
Posts: 442
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| Posted: Sun Mar 05, 2006 4:43 pm Post subject:
Re: Autism Declines As Vaccines Remove Mercury
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It always seems to be the case that when two theories are proposed,
people assume that one or the other is correct. In fact, both or
neither may be true.
That much mercury COULD be a problem. Exposing a young immune system
to a whole raft of foreign antigens in a relatively short period of
time COULD be a problem. Putting both together, means any potential
problems would be magnified.
Even if this article was written by expert witnesses, who would
therefore be thought to have a conflict of interest, this does not mean
they are wrong.
I found it interesting that Ken Alibek said in his book that he
attributes his current allergies to all the vaccinations he had to take
in order to work in a germ factory (Russian biowarfare). He is a MD
and had these shots when he was an adult. It seems common sense to me
that a lot of vaccinations in a small child would magnify such
problems.
However, since lyme can also cause autism-like syndrome, maybe we are
looking at multiple causes or a synergistic effect. |
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Mark Probert
medicine forum Guru
Joined: 01 May 2005
Posts: 1720
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| Posted: Sun Mar 05, 2006 5:13 pm Post subject:
Re: Autism Declines As Vaccines Remove Mercury
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overman74@hotmail.com wrote:
| Quote: | It always seems to be the case that when two theories are proposed,
people assume that one or the other is correct. In fact, both or
neither may be true.
That much mercury COULD be a problem. Exposing a young immune system
to a whole raft of foreign antigens in a relatively short period of
time COULD be a problem. Putting both together, means any potential
problems would be magnified.
Even if this article was written by expert witnesses, who would
therefore be thought to have a conflict of interest, this does not mean
they are wrong.
I found it interesting that Ken Alibek said in his book that he
attributes his current allergies to all the vaccinations he had to take
in order to work in a germ factory (Russian biowarfare). He is a MD
and had these shots when he was an adult. It seems common sense to me
that a lot of vaccinations in a small child would magnify such
problems.
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Actually, the immune system is enhanced by the larger number of antigens
it has to deal with. Forget vaccines, etc. but think of just the
environment and the people around children.
| Quote: |
However, since lyme can also cause autism-like syndrome, maybe we are
looking at multiple causes or a synergistic effect.
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Mark Probert
medicine forum Guru
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Posts: 1720
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| Posted: Sun Mar 05, 2006 5:13 pm Post subject:
Re: Autism Declines As Vaccines Remove Mercury
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overman74@hotmail.com wrote:
| Quote: | It always seems to be the case that when two theories are proposed,
people assume that one or the other is correct. In fact, both or
neither may be true.
That much mercury COULD be a problem. Exposing a young immune system
to a whole raft of foreign antigens in a relatively short period of
time COULD be a problem. Putting both together, means any potential
problems would be magnified.
Even if this article was written by expert witnesses, who would
therefore be thought to have a conflict of interest, this does not mean
they are wrong.
I found it interesting that Ken Alibek said in his book that he
attributes his current allergies to all the vaccinations he had to take
in order to work in a germ factory (Russian biowarfare). He is a MD
and had these shots when he was an adult. It seems common sense to me
that a lot of vaccinations in a small child would magnify such
problems.
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Actually, the immune system is enhanced by the larger number of antigens
it has to deal with. Forget vaccines, etc. but think of just the
environment and the people around children.
| Quote: |
However, since lyme can also cause autism-like syndrome, maybe we are
looking at multiple causes or a synergistic effect.
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kathleen
medicine forum Guru
Joined: 24 Mar 2005
Posts: 2619
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| Posted: Sun Mar 05, 2006 5:53 pm Post subject:
Re: Autism Declines As Vaccines Remove Mercury
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overman74@hotmail.com wrote:
| Quote: | It always seems to be the case that when two theories are proposed,
people assume that one or the other is correct. In fact, both or
neither may be true.
That much mercury COULD be a problem. Exposing a young immune system
to a whole raft of foreign antigens in a relatively short period of
time COULD be a problem. Putting both together, means any potential
problems would be magnified.
Even if this article was written by expert witnesses, who would
therefore be thought to have a conflict of interest, this does not mean
they are wrong.
I found it interesting that Ken Alibek said in his book that he
attributes his current allergies to all the vaccinations he had to take
in order to work in a germ factory (Russian biowarfare). He is a MD
and had these shots when he was an adult. It seems common sense to me
that a lot of vaccinations in a small child would magnify such
problems.
However, since lyme can also cause autism-like syndrome, maybe we are
looking at multiple causes or a synergistic effect.
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Clarify terms:
There is AUTISM, which is reverse cerebral asymmetry and high visual
IQ,
and then there's the encephalitic, retarded kind, for which Borna Virus
is
thought to be a model.
Autism being caused by spirochetes is unlikely. If anything, it could
be
the other infections in ticks.
Since the CDC is not interested in doing any valid studies on the
regressive kind of autism, we can know they have something to hide.
That thing would be the encephalitis caused by vaccines.
We have plenty of evidence that the CDC is a spin machine.
That's their only job.
Centers for Disease Spin Control.
Kathleen |
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kathleen
medicine forum Guru
Joined: 24 Mar 2005
Posts: 2619
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| Posted: Sun Mar 05, 2006 5:53 pm Post subject:
Re: Autism Declines As Vaccines Remove Mercury
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overman74@hotmail.com wrote:
| Quote: | It always seems to be the case that when two theories are proposed,
people assume that one or the other is correct. In fact, both or
neither may be true.
That much mercury COULD be a problem. Exposing a young immune system
to a whole raft of foreign antigens in a relatively short period of
time COULD be a problem. Putting both together, means any potential
problems would be magnified.
Even if this article was written by expert witnesses, who would
therefore be thought to have a conflict of interest, this does not mean
they are wrong.
I found it interesting that Ken Alibek said in his book that he
attributes his current allergies to all the vaccinations he had to take
in order to work in a germ factory (Russian biowarfare). He is a MD
and had these shots when he was an adult. It seems common sense to me
that a lot of vaccinations in a small child would magnify such
problems.
However, since lyme can also cause autism-like syndrome, maybe we are
looking at multiple causes or a synergistic effect.
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Clarify terms:
There is AUTISM, which is reverse cerebral asymmetry and high visual
IQ,
and then there's the encephalitic, retarded kind, for which Borna Virus
is
thought to be a model.
Autism being caused by spirochetes is unlikely. If anything, it could
be
the other infections in ticks.
Since the CDC is not interested in doing any valid studies on the
regressive kind of autism, we can know they have something to hide.
That thing would be the encephalitis caused by vaccines.
We have plenty of evidence that the CDC is a spin machine.
That's their only job.
Centers for Disease Spin Control.
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