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Jason
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Thanks to all of those kind people that provided me with excellent info.
related to to statin medications and EDTA.
I still have an unanswered question about Red Yeast Rice.
Some posters indicated that it could be considered to be a statin medication.
I know that prescribed statin medications such as Pravachol are designed to
remain in the body for the entire day. For example, a typical patient only
has to take one Pravachol pill each day.
If a patient or person took a capsule of Red Yeast Rice--would it remain
in the body the entire day or should the patient or person take capsules
every 3 to 5 hours so that it would remain in the bloodstream the entire
day and part of the night? Thanks in advance.
I want to stop taking Provachol since it's causing me to have muscle and
joint pain. At least one person told me in a post that Red Yeast Rice
capsules did NOT cause muscle pain.
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Juhana Harju
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Jason wrote:
:: Thanks to all of those kind people that provided me with excellent
:: info. related to to statin medications and EDTA.
::
:: I still have an unanswered question about Red Yeast Rice.
::
:: Some posters indicated that it could be considered to be a statin
:: medication.
::
:: I know that prescribed statin medications such as Pravachol are
:: designed to remain in the body for the entire day. For example, a
:: typical patient only has to take one Pravachol pill each day.
::
:: If a patient or person took a capsule of Red Yeast Rice--would it
:: remain
:: in the body the entire day or should the patient or person take
:: capsules every 3 to 5 hours so that it would remain in the
:: bloodstream the entire
:: day and part of the night? Thanks in advance.
::
:: I want to stop taking Provachol since it's causing me to have muscle
:: and joint pain. At least one person told me in a post that Red Yeast
:: Rice capsules did NOT cause muscle pain.
When there is the Portfolio diet, which is the safest option of all, and
there are also policosanol and pantethine which are generally considered
safe, why risk with red yeast rice?
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outrider
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Jason wrote:
| Quote: | Thanks to all of those kind people that provided me with excellent info.
related to to statin medications and EDTA.
I still have an unanswered question about Red Yeast Rice.
Some posters indicated that it could be considered to be a statin medication.
I know that prescribed statin medications such as Pravachol are designed to
remain in the body for the entire day. For example, a typical patient only
has to take one Pravachol pill each day.
If a patient or person took a capsule of Red Yeast Rice--would it remain
in the body the entire day or should the patient or person take capsules
every 3 to 5 hours so that it would remain in the bloodstream the entire
day and part of the night? Thanks in advance.
I want to stop taking Provachol since it's causing me to have muscle and
joint pain. At least one person told me in a post that Red Yeast Rice
capsules did NOT cause muscle pain.
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Jason
Red Yeast Rice is, de facto, a statin. It has the same active
ingredient as other statins. But it is even less safe, because it is an
unregulated untested supplement, which has been subject to many
sanctions by the FDA (see the links you received). If pravastatin
caused you problems you will almost certainly have problems with the
statin in red yeast rice.
In the last couple days several posters have responded to your
questions in several different threads on two newsgroups. I think
you've been given all the information you need now to do your own
research, and have plenty of questions you can pose to your physicians
regarding pharmaceutical options, supplement options, and dietary
options.
Go forth!
Zee
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Jason wrote:
| Quote: | Thanks to all of those kind people that provided me with excellent info.
related to to statin medications and EDTA.
I still have an unanswered question about Red Yeast Rice.
Some posters indicated that it could be considered to be a statin medication.
I know that prescribed statin medications such as Pravachol are designed to
remain in the body for the entire day. For example, a typical patient only
has to take one Pravachol pill each day.
If a patient or person took a capsule of Red Yeast Rice--would it remain
in the body the entire day or should the patient or person take capsules
every 3 to 5 hours so that it would remain in the bloodstream the entire
day and part of the night? Thanks in advance.
I want to stop taking Provachol since it's causing me to have muscle and
joint pain. At least one person told me in a post that Red Yeast Rice
capsules did NOT cause muscle pain.
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Jason
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In article <3geccbFc2cl6U1@individual.net>, "Juhana Harju"
<shantigiri@despammed.com> wrote:
| Quote: | Jason wrote:
:: Thanks to all of those kind people that provided me with excellent
:: info. related to to statin medications and EDTA.
::
:: I still have an unanswered question about Red Yeast Rice.
::
:: Some posters indicated that it could be considered to be a statin
:: medication.
::
:: I know that prescribed statin medications such as Pravachol are
:: designed to remain in the body for the entire day. For example, a
:: typical patient only has to take one Pravachol pill each day.
::
:: If a patient or person took a capsule of Red Yeast Rice--would it
:: remain
:: in the body the entire day or should the patient or person take
:: capsules every 3 to 5 hours so that it would remain in the
:: bloodstream the entire
:: day and part of the night? Thanks in advance.
::
:: I want to stop taking Provachol since it's causing me to have muscle
:: and joint pain. At least one person told me in a post that Red Yeast
:: Rice capsules did NOT cause muscle pain.
When there is the Portfolio diet, which is the safest option of all, and
there are also policosanol and pantethine which are generally considered
safe, why risk with red yeast rice?
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Great question:
I have been taking one red yeast rice capsule once each morning. When I
stopped taking the Provachol pill several days ago--the muscle pain went
away and so far the muscle pain has not come back. If it does come
back--I'll stop taking Red Yeast Rice capsules at that point in time. I
did not even know that RYR was a statin medicaiton until yesterday. I
greatly appreciate zee for telling me that information in one of his
posts. I will probably only take one capsule a day.
Jason
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"elgoog" <bjdefend-newsgroups@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Jason wrote:
Thanks to all of those kind people that provided me with excellent info.
related to to statin medications and EDTA.
I still have an unanswered question about Red Yeast Rice.
Some posters indicated that it could be considered to be a statin
medication.
I know that prescribed statin medications such as Pravachol are designed
to
remain in the body for the entire day. For example, a typical patient
only
has to take one Pravachol pill each day.
If a patient or person took a capsule of Red Yeast Rice--would it remain
in the body the entire day or should the patient or person take capsules
every 3 to 5 hours so that it would remain in the bloodstream the entire
day and part of the night? Thanks in advance.
I want to stop taking Provachol since it's causing me to have muscle and
joint pain. At least one person told me in a post that Red Yeast Rice
capsules did NOT cause muscle pain.
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"Jason" <jason@nospam.com> wrote in message
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| Quote: | In article <3geccbFc2cl6U1@individual.net>, "Juhana Harju"
shantigiri@despammed.com> wrote:
Jason wrote:
:: Thanks to all of those kind people that provided me with excellent
:: info. related to to statin medications and EDTA.
::
:: I still have an unanswered question about Red Yeast Rice.
::
:: Some posters indicated that it could be considered to be a statin
:: medication.
::
:: I know that prescribed statin medications such as Pravachol are
:: designed to remain in the body for the entire day. For example, a
:: typical patient only has to take one Pravachol pill each day.
::
:: If a patient or person took a capsule of Red Yeast Rice--would it
:: remain
:: in the body the entire day or should the patient or person take
:: capsules every 3 to 5 hours so that it would remain in the
:: bloodstream the entire
:: day and part of the night? Thanks in advance.
::
:: I want to stop taking Provachol since it's causing me to have muscle
:: and joint pain. At least one person told me in a post that Red Yeast
:: Rice capsules did NOT cause muscle pain.
When there is the Portfolio diet, which is the safest option of all, and
there are also policosanol and pantethine which are generally considered
safe, why risk with red yeast rice?
Great question:
I have been taking one red yeast rice capsule once each morning. When I
stopped taking the Provachol pill several days ago--the muscle pain went
away and so far the muscle pain has not come back. If it does come
back--I'll stop taking Red Yeast Rice capsules at that point in time. I
did not even know that RYR was a statin medicaiton until yesterday. I
greatly appreciate zee for telling me that information in one of his
posts. I will probably only take one capsule a day.
Jason
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if the muscle pain went away in only a few days...it is unlikely it was
related to the statin
reminds me of a clinical trial I entered for Lipitor...first month I got
HORRIBLE aches and pains...reported it and stopped the "drug"...only to find
out I had been on placebo!!
one must not only consider "side effects"...aches and pains come and go in
life...
just my h.o.
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<Hawki63@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
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"Jason" <jason@nospam.com> wrote in message
news:jason-0406051844270001@pm4-broad-11.snlo.dialup.fix.net...
In article <3geccbFc2cl6U1@individual.net>, "Juhana Harju"
shantigiri@despammed.com> wrote:
Jason wrote:
:: Thanks to all of those kind people that provided me with excellent
:: info. related to to statin medications and EDTA.
::
:: I still have an unanswered question about Red Yeast Rice.
::
:: Some posters indicated that it could be considered to be a statin
:: medication.
::
:: I know that prescribed statin medications such as Pravachol are
:: designed to remain in the body for the entire day. For example, a
:: typical patient only has to take one Pravachol pill each day.
::
:: If a patient or person took a capsule of Red Yeast Rice--would it
:: remain
:: in the body the entire day or should the patient or person take
:: capsules every 3 to 5 hours so that it would remain in the
:: bloodstream the entire
:: day and part of the night? Thanks in advance.
::
:: I want to stop taking Provachol since it's causing me to have muscle
:: and joint pain. At least one person told me in a post that Red Yeast
:: Rice capsules did NOT cause muscle pain.
When there is the Portfolio diet, which is the safest option of all,
and
there are also policosanol and pantethine which are generally
considered
safe, why risk with red yeast rice?
Great question:
I have been taking one red yeast rice capsule once each morning. When I
stopped taking the Provachol pill several days ago--the muscle pain went
away and so far the muscle pain has not come back. If it does come
back--I'll stop taking Red Yeast Rice capsules at that point in time. I
did not even know that RYR was a statin medicaiton until yesterday. I
greatly appreciate zee for telling me that information in one of his
posts. I will probably only take one capsule a day.
Jason
if the muscle pain went away in only a few days...it is unlikely it was
related to the statin
reminds me of a clinical trial I entered for Lipitor...first month I got
HORRIBLE aches and pains...reported it and stopped the "drug"...only to
find
out I had been on placebo!!
one must not only consider "side effects"...aches and pains come and go in
life...
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You get the public and hype about a new drug and then you get everybody
feeling the side effects. The problem is that these people will be put on
another drug if not statin then something just as new without the known hype
of side effects. In short you are at greater risk because you don't know
what to look for.
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just my h.o.
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In article <Q8OdnTvnxOtLHT_fRVn-tg@got.net>, "Robert"
<Robertitsme@hotmail.com> wrote:
| Quote: | Hawki63@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:hStoe.24669$J12.22605@newssvr14.news.prodigy.com...
"Jason" <jason@nospam.com> wrote in message
news:jason-0406051844270001@pm4-broad-11.snlo.dialup.fix.net...
In article <3geccbFc2cl6U1@individual.net>, "Juhana Harju"
shantigiri@despammed.com> wrote:
Jason wrote:
:: Thanks to all of those kind people that provided me with excellent
:: info. related to to statin medications and EDTA.
::
:: I still have an unanswered question about Red Yeast Rice.
::
:: Some posters indicated that it could be considered to be a statin
:: medication.
::
:: I know that prescribed statin medications such as Pravachol are
:: designed to remain in the body for the entire day. For example, a
:: typical patient only has to take one Pravachol pill each day.
::
:: If a patient or person took a capsule of Red Yeast Rice--would it
:: remain
:: in the body the entire day or should the patient or person take
:: capsules every 3 to 5 hours so that it would remain in the
:: bloodstream the entire
:: day and part of the night? Thanks in advance.
::
:: I want to stop taking Provachol since it's causing me to have muscle
:: and joint pain. At least one person told me in a post that Red Yeast
:: Rice capsules did NOT cause muscle pain.
When there is the Portfolio diet, which is the safest option of all,
and
there are also policosanol and pantethine which are generally
considered
safe, why risk with red yeast rice?
Great question:
I have been taking one red yeast rice capsule once each morning. When I
stopped taking the Provachol pill several days ago--the muscle pain went
away and so far the muscle pain has not come back. If it does come
back--I'll stop taking Red Yeast Rice capsules at that point in time. I
did not even know that RYR was a statin medicaiton until yesterday. I
greatly appreciate zee for telling me that information in one of his
posts. I will probably only take one capsule a day.
Jason
if the muscle pain went away in only a few days...it is unlikely it was
related to the statin
reminds me of a clinical trial I entered for Lipitor...first month I got
HORRIBLE aches and pains...reported it and stopped the "drug"...only to
find
out I had been on placebo!!
one must not only consider "side effects"...aches and pains come and go in
life...
You get the public and hype about a new drug and then you get everybody
feeling the side effects. The problem is that these people will be put on
another drug if not statin then something just as new without the known hype
of side effects. In short you are at greater risk because you don't know
what to look for.
just my h.o.
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Great points.
I read at least 20 reseach studies related to various people that have
developed major problems with various statin medications. In one of those
studies it mentioned 4 patients that developed "muscle pain and weakness,
peripheral neuropathy, and a few cases of drug-induced lupus". The study
concluded by stating the following: "The outcome was consistently
favorable within 1 to 2 months after discontinuation of the drug".
I plan to discontinue taking the statin medication and red yeast rice
capsules for at least a month and talk with my doctor before I take any
other actions. Like you stated--it's possible the muscle pains are being
caused by exercise or some of the other vit., minerals or herbs that I am
also taking. I know that it's not in my mind--I know when my muscles hurt.
Jason
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Hawki,
Please take a look at Dr. Golomb's study on placebos. There is no
expectation that a placebo is completely inert and adverse effect free, only
that it does not have the active ingredient that it is being used to compare
against.
It is not impossible that the placebo you were taking was influencing the
pain you experienced.
If you were taking it as part of a study or otherwise prescribed, you should
have a right to know the ingredients in the placebo and track those down.
Only after you have eliminated those ingredients from suspicion should you
conclude that the temporal proximity was not causal.
<Hawki63@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
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"Jason" <jason@nospam.com> wrote in message
news:jason-0406051844270001@pm4-broad-11.snlo.dialup.fix.net...
In article <3geccbFc2cl6U1@individual.net>, "Juhana Harju"
shantigiri@despammed.com> wrote:
Jason wrote:
:: Thanks to all of those kind people that provided me with excellent
:: info. related to to statin medications and EDTA.
::
:: I still have an unanswered question about Red Yeast Rice.
::
:: Some posters indicated that it could be considered to be a statin
:: medication.
::
:: I know that prescribed statin medications such as Pravachol are
:: designed to remain in the body for the entire day. For example, a
:: typical patient only has to take one Pravachol pill each day.
::
:: If a patient or person took a capsule of Red Yeast Rice--would it
:: remain
:: in the body the entire day or should the patient or person take
:: capsules every 3 to 5 hours so that it would remain in the
:: bloodstream the entire
:: day and part of the night? Thanks in advance.
::
:: I want to stop taking Provachol since it's causing me to have muscle
:: and joint pain. At least one person told me in a post that Red Yeast
:: Rice capsules did NOT cause muscle pain.
When there is the Portfolio diet, which is the safest option of all, and
there are also policosanol and pantethine which are generally considered
safe, why risk with red yeast rice?
Great question:
I have been taking one red yeast rice capsule once each morning. When I
stopped taking the Provachol pill several days ago--the muscle pain went
away and so far the muscle pain has not come back. If it does come
back--I'll stop taking Red Yeast Rice capsules at that point in time. I
did not even know that RYR was a statin medicaiton until yesterday. I
greatly appreciate zee for telling me that information in one of his
posts. I will probably only take one capsule a day.
Jason
if the muscle pain went away in only a few days...it is unlikely it was
related to the statin
reminds me of a clinical trial I entered for Lipitor...first month I got
HORRIBLE aches and pains...reported it and stopped the "drug"...only to
find out I had been on placebo!!
one must not only consider "side effects"...aches and pains come and go in
life...
just my h.o.
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That outcome of one or two months is not correct for a large number of
people who suffer adverse effects from statins. For example, the time to
maximum improvement from muscle damage from a statin drug is 29 weeks, plus
or minus 52 weeks.
"Jason" <jason@nospam.com> wrote in message
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| Quote: | In article <Q8OdnTvnxOtLHT_fRVn-tg@got.net>, "Robert"
Robertitsme@hotmail.com> wrote:
Hawki63@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
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"Jason" <jason@nospam.com> wrote in message
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In article <3geccbFc2cl6U1@individual.net>, "Juhana Harju"
shantigiri@despammed.com> wrote:
Jason wrote:
:: Thanks to all of those kind people that provided me with
excellent
:: info. related to to statin medications and EDTA.
::
:: I still have an unanswered question about Red Yeast Rice.
::
:: Some posters indicated that it could be considered to be a statin
:: medication.
::
:: I know that prescribed statin medications such as Pravachol are
:: designed to remain in the body for the entire day. For example, a
:: typical patient only has to take one Pravachol pill each day.
::
:: If a patient or person took a capsule of Red Yeast Rice--would it
:: remain
:: in the body the entire day or should the patient or person take
:: capsules every 3 to 5 hours so that it would remain in the
:: bloodstream the entire
:: day and part of the night? Thanks in advance.
::
:: I want to stop taking Provachol since it's causing me to have
muscle
:: and joint pain. At least one person told me in a post that Red
Yeast
:: Rice capsules did NOT cause muscle pain.
When there is the Portfolio diet, which is the safest option of all,
and
there are also policosanol and pantethine which are generally
considered
safe, why risk with red yeast rice?
Great question:
I have been taking one red yeast rice capsule once each morning. When
I
stopped taking the Provachol pill several days ago--the muscle pain
went
away and so far the muscle pain has not come back. If it does come
back--I'll stop taking Red Yeast Rice capsules at that point in time.
I
did not even know that RYR was a statin medicaiton until yesterday. I
greatly appreciate zee for telling me that information in one of his
posts. I will probably only take one capsule a day.
Jason
if the muscle pain went away in only a few days...it is unlikely it was
related to the statin
reminds me of a clinical trial I entered for Lipitor...first month I
got
HORRIBLE aches and pains...reported it and stopped the "drug"...only to
find
out I had been on placebo!!
one must not only consider "side effects"...aches and pains come and go
in
life...
You get the public and hype about a new drug and then you get everybody
feeling the side effects. The problem is that these people will be put on
another drug if not statin then something just as new without the known
hype
of side effects. In short you are at greater risk because you don't know
what to look for.
just my h.o.
Great points.
I read at least 20 reseach studies related to various people that have
developed major problems with various statin medications. In one of those
studies it mentioned 4 patients that developed "muscle pain and weakness,
peripheral neuropathy, and a few cases of drug-induced lupus". The study
concluded by stating the following: "The outcome was consistently
favorable within 1 to 2 months after discontinuation of the drug".
I plan to discontinue taking the statin medication and red yeast rice
capsules for at least a month and talk with my doctor before I take any
other actions. Like you stated--it's possible the muscle pains are being
caused by exercise or some of the other vit., minerals or herbs that I am
also taking. I know that it's not in my mind--I know when my muscles hurt.
Jason
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"Sharon Hope" <shope@anet.net> wrote in message
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Because of the hype anybody on a statin will discontinue the drug with any
muscle pain of any origin.
Some don't even want to try the stop and start again approach to see if it
pain is associated with the taking of the drug.
Sometimes it's better to stay with the devil you know than with the devil
you don't.
Many,many people are on statins and very,very few people are on other drugs.
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In article <o4idnWHx0enuoj7fRVn-rA@got.net>, "Robert"
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| Quote: | "Sharon Hope" <shope@anet.net> wrote in message
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Because of the hype anybody on a statin will discontinue the drug with any
muscle pain of any origin.
Some don't even want to try the stop and start again approach to see if it
pain is associated with the taking of the drug.
Sometimes it's better to stay with the devil you know than with the devil
you don't.
Many,many people are on statins and very,very few people are on other drugs.
All drugs have AE and some are known and others only after billions of
people start taking them.
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Sharon,
If I had not read the abstracts of about 50 different case studies of
people that developed problems as a result of taking statins--I would have
probably agreed with you. Some of those people developed a disease called
Rhabdomyolysis. I downloaded the medlineplus article related to this
disease. The report listed two complications of this disease: Acute
tubular necrosis and Acute renal failure.
My advice to anyone that develops muscle pain that may (or may not) have
been caused by statins: You should see your doctor ASAP. In my case--I
stopped taking statin pills (and red yeast rice capsules) until I can see
my doctor. You may want to do the same thing. I'm not a doctor.
I agree that my muscle pains could have been caused by exercise but I'm
not taking any chances. I don't want to develop any of the disorders
mentioned above.
Jason
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| Quote: | In article <o4idnWHx0enuoj7fRVn-rA@got.net>, "Robert"
Robertitsme@hotmail.com> wrote:
"Sharon Hope" <shope@anet.net> wrote in message
news:CdGdnY28u8oytT7fRVn-sQ@comcast.com...
Because of the hype anybody on a statin will discontinue the drug with
any
muscle pain of any origin.
Some don't even want to try the stop and start again approach to see if
it
pain is associated with the taking of the drug.
Sometimes it's better to stay with the devil you know than with the
devil
you don't.
Many,many people are on statins and very,very few people are on other
drugs.
All drugs have AE and some are known and others only after billions of
people start taking them.
Sharon,
If I had not read the abstracts of about 50 different case studies of
people that developed problems as a result of taking statins--I would have
probably agreed with you. Some of those people developed a disease called
Rhabdomyolysis. I downloaded the medlineplus article related to this
disease. The report listed two complications of this disease: Acute
tubular necrosis and Acute renal failure.
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Rapid and large muscle destruction (rhabdomyolysis) can cause acute tubular
necrosis which results in acute renal failure.
These deaths are very, very, rare. People with muscle pain are often tested
with a blood sample and checked for high levels of CPK and enzyme released
in the blood by damaged muscle cells. Most people do not have elevated
enzyme levels but still can have muscle pain and some researchers have
looked at the actual muscle fibers under the microscope and spotted
abnormalities (myopathies). The numbers are in dispute as no large studies
have been done unless you consider 4 or 5 patients under Dr Phillips study
as large.
I could be wrong but I believe about 20 million people are taking statins
and only a hand full develop renal failure.
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My advice to anyone that develops muscle pain that may (or may not) have
been caused by statins: You should see your doctor ASAP. In my case--I
stopped taking statin pills (and red yeast rice capsules) until I can see
my doctor. You may want to do the same thing. I'm not a doctor.
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Most people here are not doctors. I am not a doctor. I am a clinical
laboratory scientist aka medical laboratory technologist.
| Quote: | I agree that my muscle pains could have been caused by exercise but I'm
not taking any chances. I don't want to develop any of the disorders
mentioned above.
Jason
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Jason
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| Posted: Sun Jun 05, 2005 8:01 pm Post subject:
Re: Question about Red Yeast Rice
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In article <rdednUbHToBG8T7fRVn-vw@got.net>, "Robert"
<Robertitsme@hotmail.com> wrote:
| Quote: | "Jason" <jason@nospam.com> wrote in message
news:jason-0506051351210001@pm4-broad-13.snlo.dialup.fix.net...
In article <o4idnWHx0enuoj7fRVn-rA@got.net>, "Robert"
Robertitsme@hotmail.com> wrote:
"Sharon Hope" <shope@anet.net> wrote in message
news:CdGdnY28u8oytT7fRVn-sQ@comcast.com...
Because of the hype anybody on a statin will discontinue the drug with
any
muscle pain of any origin.
Some don't even want to try the stop and start again approach to see if
it
pain is associated with the taking of the drug.
Sometimes it's better to stay with the devil you know than with the
devil
you don't.
Many,many people are on statins and very,very few people are on other
drugs.
All drugs have AE and some are known and others only after billions of
people start taking them.
Sharon,
If I had not read the abstracts of about 50 different case studies of
people that developed problems as a result of taking statins--I would have
probably agreed with you. Some of those people developed a disease called
Rhabdomyolysis. I downloaded the medlineplus article related to this
disease. The report listed two complications of this disease: Acute
tubular necrosis and Acute renal failure.
Rapid and large muscle destruction (rhabdomyolysis) can cause acute tubular
necrosis which results in acute renal failure.
These deaths are very, very, rare. People with muscle pain are often tested
with a blood sample and checked for high levels of CPK and enzyme released
in the blood by damaged muscle cells. Most people do not have elevated
enzyme levels but still can have muscle pain and some researchers have
looked at the actual muscle fibers under the microscope and spotted
abnormalities (myopathies). The numbers are in dispute as no large studies
have been done unless you consider 4 or 5 patients under Dr Phillips study
as large.
I could be wrong but I believe about 20 million people are taking statins
and only a hand full develop renal failure.
My advice to anyone that develops muscle pain that may (or may not) have
been caused by statins: You should see your doctor ASAP. In my case--I
stopped taking statin pills (and red yeast rice capsules) until I can see
my doctor. You may want to do the same thing. I'm not a doctor.
Most people here are not doctors. I am not a doctor. I am a clinical
laboratory scientist aka medical laboratory technologist.
I agree that my muscle pains could have been caused by exercise but I'm
not taking any chances. I don't want to develop any of the disorders
mentioned above.
Jason
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Robert,
Great post. Keep up the great work. It's obvious that you have a lot of
knowledge on this subject. You mentioned in your post that only a handful
(out of 20 million people) develop renal failure. I don't want to be part
of the handful that you mentioned. For those patients that do develop
muscle pain as a result of taking statins--are there any other
(non-statin) medications available for those patients to treat their high
chol. problems? You should read this book : "What You Must Know about
Statins and their Natural Alternatives" by Cohen
Jason
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