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madiba
medicine forum Guru Wannabe
Joined: 05 Jul 2005
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 Posted: Sat May 13, 2006 12:02 pm Post subject:
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J <analyse@invalid> wrote:
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The way I see it, physicians are best at countering alternative medicine
(unconventional therapies) claims.
Maybe, but its tiresome after doing it for many years, and one often |
ends up being yelled at or even libelled by types that have an ax to
grind or are pushing their products. See the recent Peter Moran thread
as an example.
| Quote: | alt.support.cancer's Charter says:
If it's more about medicine, post to sci.med.diseases.cancer (so I've been
posting about medicines and clinical trials here, unless specifically asked
about on alt.support.cancer)
Making outrageous or unsupported claims is prohibited.
Advocating treatments that have been disproven scientifically or have not
successfully completed all phases of a clinical trial is inappropriate.
Encouraging patients to stop or avoid conventional proven cancer treatment in
favor of unconventional and unproven treatment is inappropriate.
I refer people here if they want to read about medicines.
I refer people here if they want to ask you about, for instance liver mets.
I refer people here if they want to ask radiation therapy questions.
And I refer people here to see discussions about unconventional ad/or
experimental and/or investigational treatments.
Its the last ones that give rise to problems. Difference between |
unconventional and investigational/experimental: how the drug/herb/laser
etc is tested. If its been thru the conventional mills and been shown to
be effective no problem. No problem discussing it (but not selling it)
if its still in a phase II or III trial as they are on the correct path.
If for example someone by accident discovers that mud in a particular
river is fantastic against acne or arthritis, why not mention it in the
relevant alt group? If it cured his aunt's piles stick it in the
relevant alt group. If however it cured his son of leukemia, this (and
the alt cancer group) would be the relevant groups. Now mentioning what
happened is fine, we would all draw our own conclusions (such as: no
more camping in the Rhone valley if the mud is THAT radioactive
already!) But if the guy buys a whole stretch of the river and starts
marketing its mud here: No! Then it has to go thru the whole procedure
of testing, dosage etc.
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Schlomo Schmellowitz
medicine forum beginner
Joined: 13 May 2006
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| Posted: Sat May 13, 2006 3:19 pm Post subject:
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down@thekraal.com (madiba) wrote in
news:1hfa2ef.prbjs9xj93a2N%down@thekraal.com:
| Quote: | Mary Fisher <mary.fisher@zetnet.co.uk> wrote:
"RSimmons" <simmonshouse@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:Xns97BDD71D7CD30rsimmons133yahoocom@216.196.97.136...
I find that the background of the site makes it difficult to read the
text so it's wasted on me.
Indeed, in more ways than one..
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I do really wish this pointless criticism of the website could be avoided
(as if it has anything whatsoever to do with the efficacy of the
treatment), but ever since the doctor got her first bad comment about it
years ago, she has refused to budge an inch on her idea of what she wants
the main page to look like. She turned down at least fifteen different
ideas, because they were not EXACTLY what she wanted. Actually she laughs
when people don't want to take her seriously because of an unorthodox
looking website. You should know, all doctors have at least a minor streak
of stubborn-ness about them. |
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Mary Fisher
medicine forum beginner
Joined: 28 Apr 2005
Posts: 32
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| Posted: Sat May 13, 2006 3:25 pm Post subject:
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"Schlomo Schmellowitz" <oldjew@kosher.deli> wrote in message
news:Xns97C26907D89B8rsimmons133yahoocom@216.196.97.136...
| Quote: | down@thekraal.com (madiba) wrote in
news:1hfa2ef.prbjs9xj93a2N%down@thekraal.com:
Mary Fisher <mary.fisher@zetnet.co.uk> wrote:
"RSimmons" <simmonshouse@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:Xns97BDD71D7CD30rsimmons133yahoocom@216.196.97.136...
I find that the background of the site makes it difficult to read the
text so it's wasted on me.
Indeed, in more ways than one..
I do really wish this pointless criticism of the website could be avoided
(as if it has anything whatsoever to do with the efficacy of the
treatment), but ever since the doctor got her first bad comment about it
years ago, she has refused to budge an inch on her idea of what she wants
the main page to look like. She turned down at least fifteen different
ideas, because they were not EXACTLY what she wanted. Actually she laughs
when people don't want to take her seriously because of an unorthodox
looking website.
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It's not unorthodox, it's just difficult to read therefore it doesn't get
the message across. If that's what she wants that's fair enough.
If a message is not being communicated efficiently it can't be taken
seriously ...
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Lase Med INC
medicine forum beginner
Joined: 11 May 2006
Posts: 3
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| Posted: Sat May 13, 2006 4:11 pm Post subject:
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"Mary Fisher" <mary.fisher@zetnet.co.uk> wrote in
news:4465fa65$0$908$4c56ba96@master.news.zetnet.net:
| Quote: | It's not unorthodox, it's just difficult to read therefore it doesn't
get the message across. If that's what she wants that's fair enough.
If a message is not being communicated efficiently it can't be taken
seriously ...
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I'm not taking a stand on whether the website's unusual appearance is good
or bad. Actually, I am aware that on some slower computers, even more so
when on a dialup connection, it does admittedly become a pain. But since
all the info is on the text pages, which can be loaded directly from the
navbars, which still work, long before the animation completes, she doesn't
consider it a problem. I'm sure in time the site will evolve into something
a little more traditional. Right now she wants it to be different from
everything else out there, and there's nothing I can do about it. |
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Mary Fisher
medicine forum beginner
Joined: 28 Apr 2005
Posts: 32
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| Posted: Sat May 13, 2006 4:23 pm Post subject:
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"Lase Med INC" <me@mybox.com> wrote in message
news:Xns97C271B866C30rsimmons133yahoocom@216.196.97.136...
| Quote: | "Mary Fisher" <mary.fisher@zetnet.co.uk> wrote in
news:4465fa65$0$908$4c56ba96@master.news.zetnet.net:
It's not unorthodox, it's just difficult to read therefore it doesn't
get the message across. If that's what she wants that's fair enough.
If a message is not being communicated efficiently it can't be taken
seriously ...
I'm not taking a stand on whether the website's unusual appearance is good
or bad. Actually, I am aware that on some slower computers, even more so
when on a dialup connection, it does admittedly become a pain.
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I have a fast computer and broadband, speed is no problem.
| Quote: | But since
all the info is on the text pages, which can be loaded directly from the
navbars, which still work, long before the animation completes, she
doesn't
consider it a problem.
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Well, she's wrong.
The problem is the background to the TEXT, which interferes with easy
reading of the text.
If she doesn't want to comminicate her message that's fine by me, I'm not
selling it, but there's no point in promoting it unless it's properly
cpommicated to those who might benefit.
| Quote: | I'm sure in time the site will evolve into something
a little more traditional. Right now she wants it to be different from
everything else out there, and there's nothing I can do about it.
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It's not all that different though, is it? Just tacky. |
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Sol Scheckman
medicine forum beginner
Joined: 15 May 2006
Posts: 1
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| Posted: Mon May 15, 2006 12:01 am Post subject:
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"Mary Fisher" <mary.fisher@zetnet.co.uk> wrote in
news:4466080c$0$908$4c56ba96@master.news.zetnet.net:
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"Lase Med INC" <me@mybox.com> wrote in message
news:Xns97C271B866C30rsimmons133yahoocom@216.196.97.136...
"Mary Fisher" <mary.fisher@zetnet.co.uk> wrote in
news:4465fa65$0$908$4c56ba96@master.news.zetnet.net:
It's not unorthodox, it's just difficult to read therefore it
doesn't get the message across. If that's what she wants that's fair
enough.
If a message is not being communicated efficiently it can't be taken
seriously ...
I'm not taking a stand on whether the website's unusual appearance is
good or bad. Actually, I am aware that on some slower computers, even
more so when on a dialup connection, it does admittedly become a
pain.
I have a fast computer and broadband, speed is no problem.
But since
all the info is on the text pages, which can be loaded directly from
the navbars, which still work, long before the animation completes,
she doesn't
consider it a problem.
Well, she's wrong.
The problem is the background to the TEXT, which interferes with easy
reading of the text.
If she doesn't want to comminicate her message that's fine by me, I'm
not selling it, but there's no point in promoting it unless it's
properly cpommicated to those who might benefit.
I'm sure in time the site will evolve into something
a little more traditional. Right now she wants it to be different
from everything else out there, and there's nothing I can do about
it.
It's not all that different though, is it? Just tacky.
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So you're saying that you have trouble reading red and blue flash
animated letters on a black starfield? Interesting... |
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brainfamine@yahoo.com
medicine forum beginner
Joined: 18 May 2006
Posts: 1
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| Posted: Thu May 18, 2006 10:54 pm Post subject:
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Lase Med INC wrote:
| Quote: | "Steph" <steph@vancouvers.island> wrote in news:i2b8g.144061$7a.111104
@pd7tw1no:
chemo and radiation (whose last success rate was somewhere around 25%).
What on earth do you mean by "whose last success rate was somewhere around
25%"
Success at what, specifically?
THE SUCCESS RATE OF C H E M O AND R A D I A T I O N!!!
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That is not an answer. 25% success at what? Remission? Disease free?
Stabilization? You are doing an extremely poor job of representing your
company.
What's more, a half-baked amateur like you shouldn't bother posting to
a group like this. These people have their lives, or the lives of loved
ones on the line.
Do you really think they're going to fall for some snake oil sold by
some fly-by-night outfit who is hosting its website on Yahoo! Who in
the hell do you think you are kidding?
You must think these people are a bunch of idiots.
Do you know how many reputable medical clinics and cancer
treatment/research centers built and host their webistes on Yahoo? The
answer is *none*.
| Quote: | What do you THINK I was talking about?
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Yeah - you're true colors are showing. You'd better just move along. |
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David Smith
medicine forum beginner
Joined: 03 May 2005
Posts: 5
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| Posted: Tue May 23, 2006 2:09 pm Post subject:
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brainfamine@yahoo.com wrote in news:1147992843.561935.266480@
38g2000cwa.googlegroups.com:
| Quote: | What's more, a half-baked amateur like you shouldn't bother posting to
a group like this. These people have their lives, or the lives of loved
ones on the line.
Do you really think they're going to fall for some snake oil sold by
some fly-by-night outfit who is hosting its website on Yahoo! Who in
the hell do you think you are kidding?
You must think these people are a bunch of idiots.
Do you know how many reputable medical clinics and cancer
treatment/research centers built and host their webistes on Yahoo? The
answer is *none*.
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Hey brainfart, advertising and marketing have never been their focus...
killing cancer and saving lives HAS BEEN AND STILL IS. If they don't want
to pay a high dollar site developer, that is their business.
And I never claimed to be a medical professional, I just happen to be the
only employee there who was willing to WASTE HIS TIME on a bunch of
closedminded thought-clones on the web and usenet. I could care less if
you think it's a snakeoil scam, because I have seen the results and the
lives saved, and I have seen what the establishment had done to the
patients before they arrived... the same thing which will likely happen
to the others who choose mainstream mutilation... |
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Mary Fisher
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Joined: 28 Apr 2005
Posts: 32
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| Posted: Tue May 23, 2006 2:21 pm Post subject:
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"Schlomo" <email@email.com> wrote in message >>
You really know hosw to endear yourself don't you :-)
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closedminded thought-clones
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see above ... |
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Steph
medicine forum Guru
Joined: 03 May 2005
Posts: 504
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| Posted: Tue May 23, 2006 2:40 pm Post subject:
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"Schlomo" <email@email.com> wrote in message
news:Xns97CC5D1A2E895rsimmons133yahoocom@216.196.97.136...
| Quote: | brainfamine@yahoo.com wrote in news:1147992843.561935.266480@
38g2000cwa.googlegroups.com:
What's more, a half-baked amateur like you shouldn't bother posting to
a group like this. These people have their lives, or the lives of loved
ones on the line.
Do you really think they're going to fall for some snake oil sold by
some fly-by-night outfit who is hosting its website on Yahoo! Who in
the hell do you think you are kidding?
You must think these people are a bunch of idiots.
Do you know how many reputable medical clinics and cancer
treatment/research centers built and host their webistes on Yahoo? The
answer is *none*.
Hey brainfart, advertising and marketing have never been their focus...
killing cancer and saving lives HAS BEEN AND STILL IS. If they don't want
to pay a high dollar site developer, that is their business.
And I never claimed to be a medical professional, I just happen to be the
only employee there who was willing to WASTE HIS TIME on a bunch of
closedminded thought-clones on the web and usenet. I could care less if
you think it's a snakeoil scam, because I have seen the results and the
lives saved, and I have seen what the establishment had done to the
patients before they arrived... the same thing which will likely happen
to the others who choose mainstream mutilation...
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If you were intelligent, what would you post next? |
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clifto
medicine forum addict
Joined: 14 Aug 2005
Posts: 56
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| Posted: Tue May 23, 2006 6:01 pm Post subject:
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Schlomo wrote:
| Quote: | brainfamine@yahoo.com wrote:
Do you know how many reputable medical clinics and cancer
treatment/research centers built and host their webistes on Yahoo? The
answer is *none*.
Hey brainfart, advertising and marketing have never been their focus...
killing cancer and saving lives HAS BEEN AND STILL IS.
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Perhaps, but all things considered they're certainly spending millions on
the advertising and marketing.
--
Britney Spears' Guide to Semiconductor Physics
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Mark A
medicine forum Guru Wannabe
Joined: 30 Apr 2005
Posts: 226
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| Posted: Tue May 23, 2006 7:05 pm Post subject:
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"Steph" <steph@vancouvers.island> wrote in news:g9Fcg.183230$7a.1040
@pd7tw1no:
| Quote: | If you were intelligent, what would you post next?
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If you were intelligent, what would you have investigated thoroughly before
acting like a fool in public and attacking the wave of the future? European
patents perhaps? It's just a matter of time before "burn, slash, and
poison" are exposed for the scam that they are, and are made obsolete...but
until then, just be happy in your little box. |
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Mary Fisher
medicine forum beginner
Joined: 28 Apr 2005
Posts: 32
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| Posted: Tue May 23, 2006 7:39 pm Post subject:
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"Lase Med INC" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote in message
news:Xns97CC8F4846A5Brsimmons133yahoocom@216.196.97.136...
| Quote: | "Steph" <steph@vancouvers.island> wrote in news:g9Fcg.183230$7a.1040
@pd7tw1no:
If you were intelligent, what would you post next?
If you were intelligent, what would you have investigated thoroughly
before
acting like a fool in public and attacking the wave of the future?
European
patents perhaps? It's just a matter of time before "burn, slash, and
poison" are exposed for the scam that they are, and are made
obsolete...but
until then, just be happy in your little box.
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What on Earth is all that about ... ?
Mary
burned, slashed and poisoned and alive eight years later |
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betsyb
medicine forum beginner
Joined: 16 Apr 2006
Posts: 9
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| Posted: Tue May 23, 2006 8:24 pm Post subject:
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"Lase Med INC" <simmonshouse@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:Xns97BEBAF38C35Frsimmons133yahoocom@216.196.97.136...
| Quote: | Frool <NoReply@frool.com> wrote in news:U2L6RA2M38846.7119097222
@anonymous.poster:
F L U S H !
So what DOES NOT get met with jeers, hostility, and criticism here?
Black salve perhaps? COQ10? Apricot seeds?
How about chemo?
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Apparently you have missed the whole point of this newsgroup. It is to
educate each other and provide comfort to those just beginning and ending
the journey. It is NOT to sell us YOUR idea of a cure. I don't believe there
is any indication in the Charter of this NG that asks for your input or
products.
Bye,
BetsyB |
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Larry
medicine forum Guru Wannabe
Joined: 09 May 2005
Posts: 151
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| Posted: Tue May 23, 2006 9:35 pm Post subject:
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Lase Med INC wrote:
| Quote: | "Steph" <steph@vancouvers.island> wrote in news:g9Fcg.183230$7a.1040
@pd7tw1no:
If you were intelligent, what would you post next?
If you were intelligent, what would you have investigated thoroughly before
acting like a fool in public and attacking the wave of the future? European
patents perhaps? It's just a matter of time before "burn, slash, and
poison" are exposed for the scam that they are, and are made obsolete...but
until then, just be happy in your little box.
You're dreaming. Come back and see us after it completes clinical trials |
and then maybe people will listen. Until then, you are fantasizing ...
both about your "cure" and about traditional treatments being made obsolete.
Larry |
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