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RSimmons
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Tim Jackson <tim@tim-jackson.co.uk> wrote in
news:4461fe21$0$5921$ed2619ec@ptn-nntp-reader01.plus.net:
| Quote: | SCHLOMO SCHMELLOWITZ wrote:
Tim Jackson <tim@tim-jackson.co.uk> wrote in news:4461b0f4$0$2532
$ed2619ec@ptn-nntp-reader01.plus.net:
It would appear from the above that you are selling a non-approved
and unproven therapy as a replacement for the tried and tested,
evidence-based mainstream methods of treating cancer.
In my country that would not just be antisocial, it would be a
criminal offence. Are you sure it isn't in yours? Maybe a report to
the FDA would be in order.
(It might happen that some conscientious US citizen forwards this
thread
to webcomplaints@ora.fda.gov .)
It would appear to me that you are a victim of warped "group-think."
You people really amaze me. If it were not FDA approved, then why
would they have spent the last decade doing FREE clinical trials?
HELLO? I think you SHOULD report me... maybe then you just might
learn something that you thought you knew about, but really didn't.
As for the username I am using, I use a news program that allows to
to put SCHLOMO SCHMELLOWITZ as a username if I choose to, I just put
the name of the company in there for consistency.
You are deliberately misrepresenting my words.
TIM... ALL I AM TRYING TO SAY is that the chemo-rad racket is exercising |
a much UNDESERVED MONOPOLY OF THOUGHT! Radiation CAUSES cancer! And chemo
destroys the immune system, which YOU NEED!
| Quote: | You do not deny that you are spamming Usenet, I don't care what name
you use to do it.
I did not say it was not FDA approved for something, I wouldn't know
whether it was or not. But I am quite sure it is not approved for use
as an alternative to chemotherapy and/or radiotherapy.
As to reporting, that is largely up to your fellow citizens to decide
whether and to whom. I merely observe that what you are doing would
be illegal advertising here in the UK.
You may now have the last word, as I do not intend to participate any
further in this thread. I have said my piece.
Tim Jackson
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Larry
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Lase Med INC wrote:
| Quote: | Tim Jackson <tim@tim-jackson.co.uk> wrote in
news:4461fe21$0$5921$ed2619ec@ptn-nntp-reader01.plus.net:
SCHLOMO SCHMELLOWITZ wrote:
Tim Jackson <tim@tim-jackson.co.uk> wrote in news:4461b0f4$0$2532
$ed2619ec@ptn-nntp-reader01.plus.net:
It would appear from the above that you are selling a non-approved
and unproven therapy as a replacement for the tried and tested,
evidence-based mainstream methods of treating cancer.
In my country that would not just be antisocial, it would be a
criminal offence. Are you sure it isn't in yours? Maybe a report to
the FDA would be in order.
(It might happen that some conscientious US citizen forwards this
thread
to webcomplaints@ora.fda.gov .)
It would appear to me that you are a victim of warped "group-think."
You people really amaze me. If it were not FDA approved, then why
would they have spent the last decade doing FREE clinical trials?
HELLO? I think you SHOULD report me... maybe then you just might
learn something that you thought you knew about, but really didn't.
As for the username I am using, I use a news program that allows to
to put SCHLOMO SCHMELLOWITZ as a username if I choose to, I just put
the name of the company in there for consistency.
You are deliberately misrepresenting my words.
TIM... ALL I AM TRYING TO SAY is that the chemo-rad racket is exercising
a much UNDESERVED MONOPOLY OF THOUGHT! Radiation CAUSES cancer! And chemo
destroys the immune system, which YOU NEED!
But they are the only proven options (for some malignancies not all) for |
cure or lengthening of life. And as you know, almost all of the time,
cancer radiation doesn't cause cancer and the immune system returns to a
good part of its original strength. So let me get this straight. My life
is on the line ... and you want me to trade something proven to work for
something that isn't? Come on, be real.
If what you (or anyone else with an alternative method/treatment) have
is so great, prove it! Put it through its paces just like every other
treatment, show proof of efficacy using an scientifically accepted
methodology, and I'll gladly consider it. So would most people. Until
then, it's like putting water into your car's gas tank instead of gas.
Larry
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You do not deny that you are spamming Usenet, I don't care what name
you use to do it.
I did not say it was not FDA approved for something, I wouldn't know
whether it was or not. But I am quite sure it is not approved for use
as an alternative to chemotherapy and/or radiotherapy.
As to reporting, that is largely up to your fellow citizens to decide
whether and to whom. I merely observe that what you are doing would
be illegal advertising here in the UK.
You may now have the last word, as I do not intend to participate any
further in this thread. I have said my piece.
Tim Jackson
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madiba
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Lase Med INC <simmonshouse@comcast.net> wrote:
| Quote: | Frool <NoReply@frool.com> wrote in news:U2L6RA2M38846.7119097222
@anonymous.poster:
F L U S H !
So what DOES NOT get met with jeers, hostility, and criticism here?
Black salve perhaps? COQ10? Apricot seeds?
All fine, but keep them in the ALT groups please... |
| Quote: | How about chemo?
conventional medicine, belongs in a sci.med group. Easy huh? |
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madiba
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J W <jonboy42@webtv.net> wrote:
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America is the only country in the world that uses chlorine to purify
drinking water, every one else uses osmosis. Why do we use chlorine? Not
because it's better, but because it's cheap. Chlorine is the nation's
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Wrong, most of the world uses chlorine. Because its cheap, and it does
what it has to do: kill bugs.
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madiba
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Lase Med INC <simmonshouse@comcst.net> wrote:
| Quote: | The medical mafia seems to be out in force, along with the thought
police. Do these people really live in a world that has yet to realize
the obvious RACKET in the chemo-rad protocols? My GOD! Did you see that
"official" FDA reprimand for "discouraging people" from using medically
proven pathways to death!?
My cured patients scoff at statements like this, its BS.. You feel |
obliged to drag conventional cancer treatment down because you want to
sell yours.. Shame on you for confusing new cancer patients! The only
neutral place you can prove your treatment is in peer-reviewed trials.
So put up or shut up.
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A. P. Thorsen
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| Posted: Thu May 11, 2006 2:36 pm Post subject:
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Lase Med INC wrote:
| Quote: | TIM... ALL I AM TRYING TO SAY is that the chemo-rad racket is exercising
a much UNDESERVED MONOPOLY OF THOUGHT! Radiation CAUSES cancer! And chemo
destroys the immune system, which YOU NEED!
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Heat BURNS things! Lasers KILL!
</matching lack of subtle rhetoric>
This may be a great new technology. It may even be The Answer. Silly
us, we just want to see some solid, broad-based evidence of that, rather
than a few scary pictures.
Are we talking alternative medicine here, or alternative logic? Maybe
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J
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| Posted: Thu May 11, 2006 2:50 pm Post subject:
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madiba wrote:
| Quote: | Lase Med INC <simmonshouse@comcast.net> wrote:
Frool <NoReply@frool.com> wrote in news:U2L6RA2M38846.7119097222
@anonymous.poster:
F L U S H !
So what DOES NOT get met with jeers, hostility, and criticism here?
Black salve perhaps? COQ10? Apricot seeds?
All fine, but keep them in the ALT groups please...
How about chemo?
conventional medicine, belongs in a sci.med group. Easy huh?
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It's the reverse
<http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.diseases.cancer/msg/7b0ce06980f8f054?hl=en&>
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J W
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Group: sci.med.diseases.cancer Date: Thu, May 11, 2006, 4:30pm (EDT+6)
From: down@thekraal.com (madiba)
J W <jonboy42@webtv.net> wrote:
America is the only country in the world that uses chlorine to purify
drinking water, every one else uses osmosis. Why do we use chlorine? Not
because it's better, but because it's cheap. Chlorine is the nation's
Wrong, most of the world uses chlorine. Because its cheap, and it does
what it has to do: kill bugs.
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madiba
Do your research before you pop off an answer.
The French do not drink chlorinated water. They ozonate their water to
purify it.
Does this make a difference? Absolutely.
"We are quite convinced... that there is an association between cancer
and chlorinated water."
Medical College Of Wisconsin research team
We don't use chlorine because it's safe, we use it because it is cheap.
We essentially still pour bleach in our water before we drink it. The
long-term effects of chlorinated drinking water have recently been
recognized. According to the U.S. Council Of Environmental Quality,
"Cancer risk among people drinking chlorinated water is 93% higher than
among those whose water does not contain chlorine."
It may cause much heart disease too. Dr. Joseph Price wrote a highly
controversial book in the late sixties titled
Coronaries/Cholesterol/Chlorine, and concluded that nothing can negate
the incontrovertible fact, that the basic cause of arteriosclerosis,
heart attacks and stroke, is chlorine.
Dr. Price later headed up a study using chickens as test subjects, where
two groups of several hundred birds were observed throughout their span
to maturity.
One group was given water with chlorine and the other without. The group
raised with chlorine, when autopsied, showed some level of heart or
circulatory disease in every specimen, the group without had no
incidence of disease. The group without chlorine grew faster, larger and
displayed vigorous health.
This study was well received in the poultry industry, and is still used
as a reference today. As a result, most large poultry producers use
dechlorinated water.
When chlorine is added to our water, it combines with other natural
compounds to form Trihalomethanes (chlorination byproducts), or THMs.
These chlorine byproducts trigger the production of free radicals in the
body, causing cell damage, and are highly carcinogenic.
"Although concentrations of these carcinogens (THMs) are low, it is
precisely these low levels that cancer scientists believe are
responsible for the majority of human cancers in the United States". The
Environmental Defense Fund
Dr. Robert Carlson, a highly respected University of Minnesota
researcher, sums it up by claiming, "Chlorine is the greatest crippler
and killer of modern times!"
Breast cancer, which now affects one in every eight women in North
America, has recently been linked to the accumulation of chlorine
compounds in the breast tissue. A study carried out in Hartford
Connecticut, the first of it's kind in North America, found that:
"Women with breast cancer have 50% to 60% higher levels of
organochlorines (chlorination byproducts) in their breast tissue than
women without breast cancer."
It is not just drinking chlorinated water that is the problem.
Up to two thirds of our exposure to chlorine is due to inhalation of
steam and skin absorption while showering. A warm shower opens up the
pores of the skin and allows for accelerated absorption of chlorine and
other chemicals in water.
The steam we inhale while showering can contain up to 50 times the level
of chemicals than tap water due to the fact that chlorine and most other
contaminants vaporize much faster and at a lower temperature than water.
Inhalation is a much more harmful means of exposure since the chlorine
gas (chloroform) we inhale goes directly into our blood stream.
"Showering is suspected as the primary cause of elevated levels of
chloroform in nearly every home because of chlorine in the water." Dr
Lance Wallace, U.S. Environmental Protection Agency.
If you take showers using chlorinated water and are dealing with cancer,
clearly installing a shower filter to dechlorinate your shower water
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Mark A
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| Posted: Thu May 11, 2006 9:31 pm Post subject:
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Lase Med INC <simmonshouse@comcast.net> wrote:
| Quote: | I guess you're right. It's much safer to go get irradiated and poisoned
by a process that has been PROVEN to kil
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You are right. It is PROVEN to kill cancer. PROVED. That's the
word you're not grasping.
| Quote: | and is perpetuated by a medical
mafia that puts making a buck second to actually helping people.
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I don't know if you understand but you just said the medical
community puts helping people first and making money second. I am ok
with that.
| Quote: | What on
earth was I thinking?
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I don't know. It seems that you don't either.
| Quote: | I'll be sure to tell Dr. Carpenter that her life's work has been a big
mistake, that people really just want to die as quickly as possible,
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I am saying that the good Dr, if she is one, should put her
theories to the test of the medical communities if she so believes in
it.
| Quote: | and
that her website should look exactly like every other bland and sterile
looking site on the web. Thanks for the input!
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Admit it. You stole the HTML off a 15 year old girl's high
school blog didn't you?
Dougie
www.fateh.ca
www.teamtompkins.com
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www.jacquie.ca |
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RSimmons
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down@thekraal.com (madiba) wrote in news:1hf6ke6.13eobo0et0zl1N%
down@thekraal.com:
| Quote: | My cured patients scoff at statements like this, its BS
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Your "cured" (cured only of the primary, not the secondary) patients will
be back, and you know this. Your cartel depends on it. Your "cure" will
keep them alive long enough to be able to withstand another round of
expensive chemo, but when the chemo finally DOES kill them, you will
blame it on the cancer, that YOUR methods stimulated into regrowth. Our
patients go on with their lives.
I'll stand corrected on a few things I said in haste, because I am not,
nor do I claim to be, a medical professional. I am only an assistant in
the office, but I'm the only one there who bothers messing with forums
and usenet, they have no patience for people who argue that the moon is
blue. But I work with an MD, a PhD, and an engineer, the CEO who designed
the prototype. And their clinical data shows that radiation, though it
does not directly cause metastasis, does cause mutations in the cellular
DNA, and one of every million or so of these mutated cells does create a
new secondary cancer. The perfect ticket for an industry that wants a
revolving door, not a cure.
Despite the futile research at Stanford, Rice, and Dartmouth with their
so-called "nanoparticles" (which don't work by the way), Lase Med has
done what their methods cannot: induce almost instantaneous cell necrosis
of the cancer mass and all surrounding neovasculature, with precise
targeting and tagging that affects absolutely NONE of the healthy
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madiba
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J <analyse@invalid> wrote:
| Quote: | madiba wrote:
Lase Med INC <simmonshouse@comcast.net> wrote:
Frool <NoReply@frool.com> wrote in news:U2L6RA2M38846.7119097222
@anonymous.poster:
F L U S H !
So what DOES NOT get met with jeers, hostility, and criticism here?
Black salve perhaps? COQ10? Apricot seeds?
All fine, but keep them in the ALT groups please...
How about chemo?
conventional medicine, belongs in a sci.med group. Easy huh?
It's the reverse
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.diseases.cancer/msg/7b0ce06980f8
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Uh, 'the reverse' would mean we can spend our time in the alt groups,
I dont think so.. Appropriate topics are clearly listed in the charter
BTW:
* Diagnosis of cancer
* Treatment of cancer, including surgery, chemotherapy,
radiation, and immunotherapy
* Screening and detection of cancer.
* Prevention of cancer
* Nutritional aspects of cancer treatment and prevention
* Causes of cancer
* Experimental treatments
* Psychosocial aspects of cancer
Anyway, the guy that wrote the charter (med physicist?) seems to have
forgotten there are alt groups there for alt therapies, perhaps they
werent there in 1994?
He was also unhappy at the way the group was going (Bewelkel and other
altis) and wanted it moderated in 1998...
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madiba
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J W <jonboy42@webtv.net> wrote:
| Quote: | Group: sci.med.diseases.cancer Date: Thu, May 11, 2006, 4:30pm (EDT+6)
From: down@thekraal.com (madiba)
J W <jonboy42@webtv.net> wrote:
America is the only country in the world that uses chlorine to purify
drinking water, every one else uses osmosis. Why do we use chlorine? Not
because it's better, but because it's cheap. Chlorine is the nation's
Wrong, most of the world uses chlorine. Because its cheap, and it does
what it has to do: kill bugs.
--
madiba
Do your research before you pop off an answer.
I did now, and my instinct was right. MOST of the world chlorinates, the |
French always want to be different.. In 1992 3/4 of the USA used
chlorine to clean their water. Chlorine is almost used in combination
with water filtration BTW. Ozone is used in the USA too, I see the
Santa Clara Valley completed such a project this month.
In your enthusiasm for ozone you forgot to mention its downsides:
* Produces disinfection by-products (DBPs), including:
~Aldehydes
~Ketones
~Carboxylic acids
~Brominated THMs (trihalomethanes)
~Brominated acetic acids
~Bromate (in the presence of bromide)
~Quinones
~Peroxides
* Fosters THM formation when some ozonation by-products combine with
secondary disinfection processes. A biologically active filter will
likely be necessary to remove these newly formed precursors.
* Does not provide a persistent residual.
* Raises regulatory concerns. Future DBP regulations may require
plants using ozone to install costly precursor removal systems (such as
granular activated carbon filtration systems).
* Requires capital investment. Ozone must be produced on-site by
costly generation that requires a high level of maintenance and
substantial operator training.
* Promotes microbial growth. Ozone readily reacts with more complex
organic matter and can break this down to smaller compounds that serve
to increase nutrients in water supplies, thus enhancing microbial
regrowth in water distribution systems.
quote from:
http://c3.org/chlorine_knowledge_center/whitepapercl.html#Balancing
This is a website from the chlorine industry BTW, and they speak freely
about the positives and negatives of various disinfectant systems.
| Quote: | The French do not drink chlorinated water. They ozonate their water to
purify it.
Does this make a difference? Absolutely.
Of course chlorine has a downside, any ingested chemical does. |
But its the smaller, economical of the available evils. Lets be honest:
do you really DRINK tapwater? I dont, and if I have to its either been
boiled (coffee) or left to stand for a while.. When you give animals
water to drink they also let it stand for a while before they drink,
unless they are extremely thirsty. I lived in an area with really awful
groundwater for about 30 years, so I learned to drink from other
sources. As far as poisoning from showers go, I dont think so. But its
surely another reason to have a good ventilation system in your
bathroom..
| Quote: | "We are quite convinced... that there is an association between cancer
and chlorinated water."
Medical College Of Wisconsin research team
We don't use chlorine because it's safe, we use it because it is cheap.
We essentially still pour bleach in our water before we drink it. The
long-term effects of chlorinated drinking water have recently been
recognized. According to the U.S. Council Of Environmental Quality,
"Cancer risk among people drinking chlorinated water is 93% higher than
among those whose water does not contain chlorine."
It may cause much heart disease too. Dr. Joseph Price wrote a highly
controversial book in the late sixties titled
Coronaries/Cholesterol/Chlorine, and concluded that nothing can negate
the incontrovertible fact, that the basic cause of arteriosclerosis,
heart attacks and stroke, is chlorine.
Dr. Price later headed up a study using chickens as test subjects, where
two groups of several hundred birds were observed throughout their span
to maturity.
One group was given water with chlorine and the other without. The group
raised with chlorine, when autopsied, showed some level of heart or
circulatory disease in every specimen, the group without had no
incidence of disease. The group without chlorine grew faster, larger and
displayed vigorous health.
This study was well received in the poultry industry, and is still used
as a reference today. As a result, most large poultry producers use
dechlorinated water.
When chlorine is added to our water, it combines with other natural
compounds to form Trihalomethanes (chlorination byproducts), or THMs.
These chlorine byproducts trigger the production of free radicals in the
body, causing cell damage, and are highly carcinogenic.
"Although concentrations of these carcinogens (THMs) are low, it is
precisely these low levels that cancer scientists believe are
responsible for the majority of human cancers in the United States". The
Environmental Defense Fund
Dr. Robert Carlson, a highly respected University of Minnesota
researcher, sums it up by claiming, "Chlorine is the greatest crippler
and killer of modern times!"
Breast cancer, which now affects one in every eight women in North
America, has recently been linked to the accumulation of chlorine
compounds in the breast tissue. A study carried out in Hartford
Connecticut, the first of it's kind in North America, found that:
"Women with breast cancer have 50% to 60% higher levels of
organochlorines (chlorination byproducts) in their breast tissue than
women without breast cancer."
It is not just drinking chlorinated water that is the problem.
Up to two thirds of our exposure to chlorine is due to inhalation of
steam and skin absorption while showering. A warm shower opens up the
pores of the skin and allows for accelerated absorption of chlorine and
other chemicals in water.
The steam we inhale while showering can contain up to 50 times the level
of chemicals than tap water due to the fact that chlorine and most other
contaminants vaporize much faster and at a lower temperature than water.
Inhalation is a much more harmful means of exposure since the chlorine
gas (chloroform) we inhale goes directly into our blood stream.
"Showering is suspected as the primary cause of elevated levels of
chloroform in nearly every home because of chlorine in the water." Dr
Lance Wallace, U.S. Environmental Protection Agency.
If you take showers using chlorinated water and are dealing with cancer,
clearly installing a shower filter to dechlorinate your shower water
makes good sense.
Its overkill, just open the windows. If the chloroform levels were that |
high we'd all take a nap in the shower.
How about swimming pools? Most use huge amounts of chlorine compared to
drinking water. We had a salt system, no chlorine smell and easy to
maintain.
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J
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| Posted: Fri May 12, 2006 4:43 pm Post subject:
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madiba wrote:
| Quote: | J <analyse@invalid> wrote:
madiba wrote:
Lase Med INC <simmonshouse@comcast.net> wrote:
Frool <NoReply@frool.com> wrote in news:U2L6RA2M38846.7119097222
@anonymous.poster:
F L U S H !
So what DOES NOT get met with jeers, hostility, and criticism here?
Black salve perhaps? COQ10? Apricot seeds?
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Apricot seeds (laetrile) are unconventional therapy.
hyperthermia is experimental and investigational
The purpose of sci.med.diseases.cancer is discussions of the treatment and
diagnosis of all forms of cancer. Sci.med.diseases.cancer is a forum for
cancer patients, their families and loved ones, medical professionals and
cancer researchers. Discussions of unconventional therapies are explicitly
allowed
| Quote: | [.Sorry - I should not have said "reverse".].. Appropriate topics are
clearly listed in the charter
BTW:
* Diagnosis of cancer
* Treatment of cancer, including surgery, chemotherapy,
radiation, and immunotherapy
* Screening and detection of cancer.
* Prevention of cancer
* Nutritional aspects of cancer treatment and prevention
* Causes of cancer
* Experimental treatments
* Psychosocial aspects of cancer
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RATIONALE
There are existing groups were the diagnosis and treatment of cancer is
discussed (sci.med and alt.support.cancer). alt.support.cancer suffers from
the usual drawbacks of groups in the alt hierarchy,
including not being distributed as widely. There is no place specifically
devoted to discussions on the medical aspects of cancer.
| Quote: | Anyway, the guy that wrote the charter (med physicist?) seems to have
forgotten there are alt groups there for alt therapies, perhaps they
werent there in 1994?
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alt.support.cancer was created in 1992
The above passed.
There were 210 YES votes and 11 NO votes, for a total of 221 valid votes.
There was 1 abstain and 8 invalid ballots.
| Quote: | He was also unhappy at the way the group was going (Bewelkel and other
altis) and wanted it moderated in 1998...
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Never went anywhere.
The way I see it, physicians are best at countering alternative medicine
(unconventional therapies) claims.
alt.support.cancer's Charter says:
If it's more about medicine, post to sci.med.diseases.cancer (so I've been
posting about medicines and clinical trials here, unless specifically asked
about on alt.support.cancer)
Making outrageous or unsupported claims is prohibited.
Advocating treatments that have been disproven scientifically or have not
successfully completed all phases of a clinical trial is inappropriate.
Encouraging patients to stop or avoid conventional proven cancer treatment in
favor of unconventional and unproven treatment is inappropriate.
I refer people here if they want to read about medicines.
I refer people here if they want to ask you about, for instance liver mets.
I refer people here if they want to ask radiation therapy questions.
And I refer people here to see discussions about unconventional ad/or
experimental and/or investigational treatments.
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Steph
medicine forum Guru
Joined: 03 May 2005
Posts: 504
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| Posted: Sat May 13, 2006 1:38 am Post subject:
Re: THANK YOU JONBOY!
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"Lase Med INC" <simmonshouse@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:Xns97C151BE8BFC5rsimmons133yahoocom@216.196.97.136...
| Quote: | down@thekraal.com (madiba) wrote in news:1hf6ke6.13eobo0et0zl1N%
down@thekraal.com:
My cured patients scoff at statements like this, its BS
Your "cured" (cured only of the primary, not the secondary) patients will
be back, and you know this. Your cartel depends on it. Your "cure" will
keep them alive long enough to be able to withstand another round of
expensive chemo, but when the chemo finally DOES kill them, you will
blame it on the cancer, that YOUR methods stimulated into regrowth. Our
patients go on with their lives.
I'll stand corrected on a few things I said in haste, because I am not,
nor do I claim to be, a medical professional. I am only an assistant in
the office, but I'm the only one there who bothers messing with forums
and usenet, they have no patience for people who argue that the moon is
blue. But I work with an MD, a PhD, and an engineer, the CEO who designed
the prototype. And their clinical data shows that radiation, though it
does not directly cause metastasis, does cause mutations in the cellular
DNA, and one of every million or so of these mutated cells does create a
new secondary cancer. The perfect ticket for an industry that wants a
revolving door, not a cure.
Despite the futile research at Stanford, Rice, and Dartmouth with their
so-called "nanoparticles" (which don't work by the way), Lase Med has
done what their methods cannot: induce almost instantaneous cell necrosis
of the cancer mass and all surrounding neovasculature, with precise
targeting and tagging that affects absolutely NONE of the healthy
surrounding tissue.
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It's really not worth the effort to put the thought into a rational debate
with irrational idiots like you. It's pearls before swine. Your rantings
simply show that you don't have a clue about biology, genetics, oncology, or
even lasers.
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madiba
medicine forum Guru Wannabe
Joined: 05 Jul 2005
Posts: 203
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| Posted: Sat May 13, 2006 11:23 am Post subject:
Re: Now It's Cancer's Turn To DIE!
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Mary Fisher <mary.fisher@zetnet.co.uk> wrote:
| Quote: | "RSimmons" <simmonshouse@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:Xns97BDD71D7CD30rsimmons133yahoocom@216.196.97.136...
I find that the background of the site makes it difficult to read the text
so it's wasted on me.
Indeed, in more ways than one.. |
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