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john
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PostPosted: Mon May 08, 2006 1:32 pm    Post subject: Cord clamping Reply with quote

http://www.whale.to/a/cord_clamping_h.html

"Another thing very injurious to the child, is the tying and cutting of the
navel string too soon; which should always be left till the child has not
only repeatedly breathed but till all pulsation in the cord ceases. As
otherwise the child is much weaker than it ought to be, a portion of the
blood being left in the placenta, which ought to have been in the child."---
Erasmus Darwin, Zoonomia, 1801. [ref]

"False medical reasons are given for immediately clamping the premature
babies. Premature babies just happen to have more valuable Mother cells,
(cord stem cells) then a full-term baby. I would think they would go to
cord blood banks, with or without the parents consent. All babies, all
sizes, whenever born, are being risked to hasty clamping. NO
discrimination, in the size or gestation period of the baby, in most
instances. Most parents will not say anything, after being humiliated and
conned in child birth. But when we have no complaints, the medical
malpractice and the corruption will continue.
The Mother cells, sought after by science researchers, are the cord stem
cells to be used in experimental research to attempt to treat disease. The
diseases are likely rooted, originally in the bad birth practices. Hasty
clamping, currently, a trend, on an international scheme."
http://www.123babybirth.com/

DECEIT INVOLVED IN BLOOD DENIED THE BABY: This taking of the baby's blood,
in many instances, will be done in secret. Hidden from the mother and the
father will be the actual volume of the blood drained out of the placenta,
anywhere from 50 ccs to over 1 cup of blood, 250 ccs (8.8 ounces).
Sometimes the draining is done while the placenta is yet warm in the
mother's womb. This is because they have experimented to prove that warm
blood transfuses faster into bags or tubes. The fact is the mother is
actually none-the-wiser. This is because she cannot feel the blood being
drained from the baby's placenta. It is the baby's deprived blood, not the
mother's blood that is sought. There are mostly unproven medical reasons
the doctor and the nurse use to clamp the cord before it had naturally
ceased to pulsate. Both may be in collusion with each other, and may
collaborate with policies of the hospital, who may collaborate with policies
set by who knows who set them? Many of the hospitals do send the placenta
and blood to drug companies.

My best guess how long some of the babies were assaulted by unethical
doctors and nurses is to the First World War. While mum's the word on
this one as to few survivors of those times, we know the doctors were
involved in blood transfusions. And there is definite recordings of
research and experiments that the use of the umbilical cord stem cell blood
from babies was used in transfusions all the way back to 1939, during the
Second World War. But the big trend in going public with cord stem cells
was not until the 1980's. What really was going on all this time to many of
our babies that we trusted to birth in the hospital for the best of care?

While most BC Hospitals, on the lower mainland, at the maternity wards
would not reveal where the blood from placentas go, and the placentas
themselves. But, at the Royal Alexander Hospital in Edmonton, Alberta, lab
technicians admitted they are given two and three tubes of placenta blood to
do the hospital's directed research of the day. Alberta's Health and
Wellness Minister, the Hon. Gary Mar , who has a criminal law degree,
accepted this as normal medical procedure. This was accepted as acceptable
practice by the Alberta College of Physicians and Surgeons, too. No
questions asked as to protection of the baby's right to all property rights
of its placenta , that I call a blood bag.

THEORIES: I present three theories or motives that I maintain are
connected to false medical teachings and practices. The most common is the
taking of the components of the babies blood , more precious then gold, to
all medical fields that get a spin-off from creating a situation, where the
child does not start life with opportunities to have optimal health. The
medical societies treat illness and disorders but do not actively prevent
them or research the likely association and similarities of disorders by
looking at drugs , position of birth, clamping of the cord , and
vaccinations .

http://www.123babybirth.com/doc/MapJune1-137.htm The facts are, whether
hasty umbilical cord clamping is Social Darwinism, Blood and Organ robbing,
or Time Efficiency, all three are inexcusable reasons for clamping off a
functioning organ. This is apparently done with no regard of Constitutional
Rights of the infant. Sadly, for want of public outcry, no justice official,
police or law firm, will protect the babies from being exploited. The
practice will continue until the new generations are better educated.
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Dagny
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PostPosted: Mon May 08, 2006 2:42 pm    Post subject: Re: Cord clamping Reply with quote

"john" <scu23@btinternet.com> wrote in message
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http://www.whale.to/a/cord_clamping_h.html
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http://www.123babybirth.com/doc/MapJune1-137.htm The facts are, whether
hasty umbilical cord clamping is Social Darwinism, Blood and Organ
robbing, or Time Efficiency, all three are inexcusable reasons for
clamping off a functioning organ. This is apparently done with no regard
of Constitutional Rights of the infant. Sadly, for want of public outcry,
no justice official, police or law firm, will protect the babies from
being exploited. The practice will continue until the new generations are
better educated.



There is no simple explanation for why this obstetric myth persists. It
would seem one of the easiest for parents to see through. Yet, the vast
majority of parents do not even understand that the placenta is part of the
baby's body and not an organ of the mother; in fact a scary percentage of
parents do not seem to even be aware of what the third stage of labor is
other than some removal of something akin to medical waste that is done on
their behalf.

In my own experience, I have not in 2 unmedicated home births had any
instinctual desire to sever my child's cord prior to birthing the placenta.
I do not believe that humans are without instinct; if babies needed this
treatment, I think we would have an instict to immediately pinch the cord
with our fingers, or tie a knot in it while it was pulsating. This urge
seems to be absent in all creatures AFAIK.

In my last pregnancy, for mainly the reason of the cord clamping, I decided
if I had a premature birth where hospitalization for the child would be
necessary, I would birth in the parking lot and attempt to wait to transport
in until after the cord ceased pulsating.

Dagny
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john
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PostPosted: Mon May 08, 2006 3:49 pm    Post subject: Re: Cord clamping Reply with quote

"Dagny" <notgiven@nospam.com> wrote in message
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There is no simple explanation for why this obstetric myth persists.

Diseases treated with cord blood http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cord_blood
must be the main reason
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Anne Rogers
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PostPosted: Mon May 08, 2006 3:54 pm    Post subject: Re: Cord clamping Reply with quote

Quote:
In my last pregnancy, for mainly the reason of the cord clamping, I
decided if I had a premature birth where hospitalization for the child
would be necessary, I would birth in the parking lot and attempt to wait
to transport in until after the cord ceased pulsating.

Dagny, I had similar feelings, I felt any sick baby needed that cord, I was
very very fortunate that when we ended with a hospital birth and meconium,
we made it clear the cord was not to be clamped and any interventions were
to be done with the baby on my tummy, when originally they wanted to just
clamp before even checking if there was a problem, as it was there was not
problem at all, not even suction needed.

Anne
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Sarah Barnett
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PostPosted: Mon May 08, 2006 7:49 pm    Post subject: Re: Cord clamping Reply with quote

I was extremely uneducated on birth when I had my DD 4 years ago. Waiting
until the cord stopped pulsating and waiting to deliver the placenta
naturally is something I definitely would have put my foot down about had I
known better. I'll definitely be waiting this time around.

Sarah
Katheryn 01.28.02
EDD 09.16.06

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Dagny
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PostPosted: Mon May 08, 2006 9:40 pm    Post subject: Re: Cord clamping Reply with quote

"john" <scu23@btinternet.com> wrote in message
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"Dagny" <notgiven@nospam.com> wrote in message
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There is no simple explanation for why this obstetric myth persists.

Diseases treated with cord blood http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cord_blood
must be the main reason


Certainly the practice predates these treatments?
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Starlight
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PostPosted: Tue May 09, 2006 1:05 am    Post subject: Re: Cord clamping Reply with quote

LOL LOL This thread and the responses are a scream!! Oh my!!!

*plonk*
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john
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PostPosted: Tue May 09, 2006 9:24 am    Post subject: Re: Cord clamping Reply with quote

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