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PostPosted: Mon Apr 17, 2006 10:24 pm    Post subject: Re: REUTERS: Breast implants again linked to suicide risk Reply with quote

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Ilena go ahead and post the letter.

Oh, how cute, posting fake letters now.



Skeptic, please.
The letter is from a real woman.

We don't know that. Ilena is a purely unreliable source of any
information.

The breast implanted women know one another. Or know OF one another.
If one vouches, to me, that lays any issue of validity to rest.
Unreliable or not, in all the searching I have done over the last year
and half, I have never known of Ilena to post faked web pages featuring
implanted women.
Believe me, no one likes to tell her off more than I do, but this is not
an appropriate thread in which to do it, she's done NOTHIGN wrong on
this one.

Betty

Someone like her has no credit until she steps up and defends some of her
accusations. Every thread is appropriate to point out that she can't be
trusted.

You are certainly entitled to your opinion,

And it's my opinion that Ilena is a deceitful woman completely lacking in
even the basic knowledge necessary to understand the topics she so profusely
discusses. As such that makes her both irresponsible and potentially
dangerous as she pretends to be an expert. I do not put lying about such
letters beyond her and that's that.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 17, 2006 9:27 pm    Post subject: Re: REUTERS: Breast implants again linked to suicide risk Reply with quote

Sandra is a real live woman who has been permanently damaged by
silicone breast implants and numerous surgeries. You are not fit to
shine her shoes. Implanted women know who she is and how much she has
done through the years to help other implanted women.

This is a critical issue amongst implanted women. And frankly, we
don't care what you think. Your importance is not even a blip on our
radar.

Pam
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Dragon's Girl
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 17, 2006 3:36 am    Post subject: Re: REUTERS: Breast implants again linked to suicide risk Reply with quote

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Ilena go ahead and post the letter.

Oh, how cute, posting fake letters now.



Skeptic, please.
The letter is from a real woman.

We don't know that. Ilena is a purely unreliable source of any
information.

The breast implanted women know one another. Or know OF one another.
If one vouches, to me, that lays any issue of validity to rest.
Unreliable or not, in all the searching I have done over the last year
and half, I have never known of Ilena to post faked web pages featuring
implanted women.
Believe me, no one likes to tell her off more than I do, but this is not
an appropriate thread in which to do it, she's done NOTHIGN wrong on this
one.

Betty

Someone like her has no credit until she steps up and defends some of her
accusations. Every thread is appropriate to point out that she can't be
trusted.

You are certainly entitled to your opinion, however, most of what she has
posted in this thread was not written by her, and is not controversial.
She is correct in her assertion that there are many factors related to
suicide in women who have had breast implants.
The least of which would be receiving the implants in itself.
I have, myself, attacked her in numerous threads in which she invited attack
because of misleading statements, or what I believed to be outright lies,
but in this case, in this particular thread, I do not feel she has done so,
and have not commented negatively because of that.
Doing so is disruptive.
I have no problem with pointing out inaccuracies, when any exist, because I
feel that the women who come to this forum seeking advice should have access
to good information.
When there are no inaccuracies in a thread it is best not to disrupt the
thread with assualts. This leaves room for discussion that could become
productive.
I have never believed that all of her 'letters' were valid, but I am
familiar with the web site that the story she posts resides on. I doubt
that it is faked in any way.
I don't wish to fight with you, but at the same time, I have to point out
that none of us are perfect, and at times Ilena DOES do things that I
totally agree with...the post that started this thread being one of them.
Posting an article or study does not make her responsible for the content.
I understand that she has posted and commented on things in the past that
she did not even read, but that does not mean that the rest of us can't
behave as adults and discuss without insult.

Betty
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 17, 2006 3:10 am    Post subject: Re: REUTERS: Breast implants again linked to suicide risk Reply with quote

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Ilena go ahead and post the letter.

Oh, how cute, posting fake letters now.



Skeptic, please.
The letter is from a real woman.

We don't know that. Ilena is a purely unreliable source of any
information.

The breast implanted women know one another. Or know OF one another.
If one vouches, to me, that lays any issue of validity to rest.
Unreliable or not, in all the searching I have done over the last year and
half, I have never known of Ilena to post faked web pages featuring
implanted women.
Believe me, no one likes to tell her off more than I do, but this is not
an appropriate thread in which to do it, she's done NOTHIGN wrong on this
one.

Betty

Someone like her has no credit until she steps up and defends some of her
accusations. Every thread is appropriate to point out that she can't be
trusted.
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Dragon's Girl
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 17, 2006 1:58 am    Post subject: Re: REUTERS: Breast implants again linked to suicide risk Reply with quote

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Ilena> wrote in message
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From: "s_laliberte_2001



Ilena go ahead and post the letter.

Oh, how cute, posting fake letters now.



Skeptic, please.
The letter is from a real woman.

We don't know that. Ilena is a purely unreliable source of any
information.

The breast implanted women know one another. Or know OF one another.
If one vouches, to me, that lays any issue of validity to rest.
Unreliable or not, in all the searching I have done over the last year and
half, I have never known of Ilena to post faked web pages featuring
implanted women.
Believe me, no one likes to tell her off more than I do, but this is not an
appropriate thread in which to do it, she's done NOTHIGN wrong on this one.

Betty
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 17, 2006 1:00 am    Post subject: Re: REUTERS: Breast implants again linked to suicide risk Reply with quote

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Ilena> wrote in message
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From: "s_laliberte_2001



Ilena go ahead and post the letter.

Oh, how cute, posting fake letters now.



Skeptic, please.
The letter is from a real woman.

We don't know that. Ilena is a purely unreliable source of any information.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 16, 2006 11:39 pm    Post subject: Re: REUTERS: Breast implants again linked to suicide risk Reply with quote

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Ilena go ahead and post the letter.

Oh, how cute, posting fake letters now.



Skeptic, please.
The letter is from a real woman. Let it be,
the subject is too serious not to respect.
Thanks.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 16, 2006 10:57 pm    Post subject: Re: REUTERS: Breast implants again linked to suicide risk Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 16, 2006 10:22 pm    Post subject: REUTERS: Breast implants again linked to suicide risk Reply with quote

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Ilena go ahead and post the letter. I hope alot of women write in on
this and I would hope the hospitals that do have people staying for
psych reasons get involved in this.

I can't believe how arrogant these people are. I can only imagine
how so many women who were hospitalized thought oh I am now being
discharged from this hospital I have been unemployed while sick with
my mental issues but hey I have 5 grand or more kicking around to
get implants in.

It is never looked at that the implant complications are the cause
for the depression and then suicide god for bid anyone looked at
this from where it should be looked at. I remember looking at my
original nurses notes when I was admitted in for my mastectomy and
reconstruction and the nurses wrote very pleasant woman, no anxiety,
understand procedure. I can bet with most women the nurses wrote
there observations.

It was not until after the procedure and when they removed the
dressings that I was horrified at the mess they had done.

Then the many years of surgeries and illnesses if that doesn't
depress anyone I don't know what wouldn't.

The Doctors that don't get complete history on a patient are
negligent plain and simple so for them to say now they are thinking
of screening women is clear that they have been incompetent.

This is just another tactic to make women the ones to blame instead
of the manufacturers and Plastic surgeons.

I would like to take this finding and shove it where the sun don't
shine LOL!!

I would like them to prove the women have been causing car accidents
I want to see the stats on this. It is not a way most women would
choose to end there lives as there would be a risk of not dying. I
would like to know what is the way women choose to comitt suicide
and I would gather it is over dozing on pills.

We know of one woman who unfortunately ended her life this way but
it is the only one I have ever heard of.

I looked up most neurological illnesses yesterday and the ones we
are being diagnosed with have depression as a symptom with that
illness, so why would that not be looked at and included in there
study?

Sandra



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My name is Sandra Laliberte and I read the article on suicide and
implants and I was quite outraged at the content of it, not the
writer but the statements in the article.

I had a bilateral mastectomy when I was 28 with immediate
reconstruction, to date because of the failed implants I have had to
endure 19 operations, I have been diagnosed with multiple sclerosis,
granuloma annulare,a serious lung condition and I have had to be
cathed due to bladder problems this is only a few of my problems so
at 44 now I am disabled and on permanent disability. I can tell you
I was never a psych patient hospitalized and I can quite frankly
tell you I don't know anyone that has been and I am very imvolved
with my MS Breast implant newsletter with another implant woman and
know alot of implant women 1000's to be exact.

I feel that instead of making the patient some nut case the onus is
and always has been on the surgeon to do his or her job and that is
knowing the history of there patient before recommending any
surgical procedure to not do or know this is nothing short of
negligence, so for the article to say now that a screening should be
done is ludicrous, this tells me they did not screen any of there
patients.

My take on this is that the women were mentally normal until they
were implanted then the problems began with there health and that is
why the suicide rate is up. I am not suicidal at all but I can tell
you it is very difficult on a daily basis looking at my very
deformed body and dealing with all the pain that comes from my
diseases. MS affects people and has brain involvement as does many
other neurological diseases that women with implants are being
diagnosed with and along with many of these diseases is the studies
that shows depression is one of the complications so I believe that
many of the women are suffering with neurological diseases which is
causing the suicides. The Surgeons know this the manufacturers most
definitely know this as they have there own data on it but choose to
not disclose it. So the real reasons for the suicides is not being
shown and once again these people are smearing the women.

Is it any wonder that a woman who has been told she has a serious
illness or totally deformed is going to be depressed not really. Is
it really surprising that some women will committ suicide not at all.

They need to be put in the shoes of us the women and live with what
has been done to us, all to line there greedy pockets.

Here is a site that put my photos on from what happened to me and I
can tell you it is a daily effort not to get depressed so I focus my
anger at helping other women not get implants in.
http://www.info-implants.com/SAK/intro.html


Sandra
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