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Robert
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 12, 2006 4:05 am    Post subject: Re: Can "Burning" Pain Kill? Reply with quote

"Radium" <glucegen1@excite.com> wrote in message
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Quote:
Hi:

I wonder what would happen if each of my voluntary muscles [including
speech muscles; excluding breathing muscles] were completely relaxed
into a state of total paralysis [and could not contract or "un-relax"
no matter how much stimulation those muscles recieved] and someone
surrounded me with oxyacetylene flames and burned the skin all around
my body resulting in extensive superficial partial-thickness burns.
Lets also say -- for some magical reason -- the burns did not cause
immune responses [or affect my immune system at all], inflammatory
reactions, or hypovolemic shock, and that my environment was totally
sterile [free of infective agents], free of allergens [and other
irritants] and that the burns had no affect on my respiratory system at
all. In addition, let's say that the pain I experienced did not cause
hyperventilation and did not affect the respiratory system or immune
system at all and that I was totally conscious during this burning
procedure. Last but not least, lets say I am otherwise [other than the
burns and paralysis] totally healthy. What effects would the
excruciating pain of the burns have on my nervous and circulatory
systems? Would those effects be fatal?

Due to the paralysis, I would obviously be unable to scream or flinch
no matter how much pain I am in.


Thanks,

Radium


Ok it's time to see a shrink. Your fixation on burns and burning are
obvious. Leave Baptist churches alone or don't start any fires out there.
Run to a doctor now.
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Radium
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 12, 2006 4:11 am    Post subject: Re: Can "Burning" Pain Kill? Reply with quote

Robert wrote:
Quote:
Ok it's time to see a shrink. Your fixation on burns and burning are
obvious. Leave Baptist churches alone or don't start any fires out there.
Run to a doctor now.

Huh? I am asking a serious question. I have no application. I am just
in it for the science. I am interested in the science of it.
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Manky Badger
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 12, 2006 9:30 am    Post subject: Re: Can "Burning" Pain Kill? Reply with quote

"Radium" <glucegen1@excite.com> wrote in message
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Quote:
Robert wrote:
Ok it's time to see a shrink. Your fixation on burns and burning are
obvious. Leave Baptist churches alone or don't start any fires out there.
Run to a doctor now.

Huh? I am asking a serious question. I have no application. I am just
in it for the science. I am interested in the science of it.

Why ?

Why this almost pathological fixation about asking burning -related
questions and then not liking the response you get ?
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Mortimer Schnerd, RN
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 12, 2006 10:41 am    Post subject: Re: Can "Burning" Pain Kill? Reply with quote

Radium wrote:
Quote:
Hi:

I wonder what would happen if each of my voluntary muscles [including
speech muscles; excluding breathing muscles] were completely relaxed
into a state of total paralysis [and could not contract or "un-relax"
no matter how much stimulation those muscles recieved] and someone
surrounded me with oxyacetylene flames and burned the skin all around
my body resulting in extensive superficial partial-thickness burns.


I wonder about this too. Get back to us and let us know how it works out.




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mschnerd@carolina.rr.com.REMOVE
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Radium
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 12, 2006 5:01 pm    Post subject: Re: Can "Burning" Pain Kill? Reply with quote

Manky Badger wrote:
Quote:
Why ?

Why this almost pathological fixation about asking burning -related
questions and then not liking the response you get ?

Because the responses are not serious. I am asking a serious question
and would appreciate serious scientific answer to my question.
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Radium
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 12, 2006 5:02 pm    Post subject: Re: Can "Burning" Pain Kill? Reply with quote

Mortimer Schnerd, RN wrote:

Quote:
I wonder about this too. Get back to us and let us know how it works out.

LOL

Is ANYONE going to give me a serious response to my question?

My questions about burns are NOT *homework*. They are questions of my
interest.
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OldGoat
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 12, 2006 5:47 pm    Post subject: Re: Can "Burning" Pain Kill? Reply with quote

Dear Radium,

Your questions are a bit off the wall, kind of like if you went in to space
and had a constant oxygen supply how long would it take for you to explode
for the vacuum of space. Whether you're the most muscular, strongest man in
the world or a 90 pound weakling with atrophied muscles, the results would
be the same. "POP".and you become orbiting hamburger.
Before they could get you paralyzed, I would think shock would kick in, and
if you burned as badly as you're suggesting, you probably wouldn't make it
in to the ambulance, much less a hospital.
There's enough pain going right here in the real world of the folks in this
group, the last thing we need is hypothetical cases of agony.
I don't like to answer questions with a question, but basically you're
talking about disconnecting the brain from the body with the exception of
the involuntary reflex of breathing. There's a lot of people in similar
situations everyday the only difference is the breathing reflex doesn't
function so they're on a respirator to keep them breathing. The terms 'brain
dead' and "pulling the plug" come to mind. Would you want to live that way?
BTW- one of the first things that happens when someone is burned that badly,
is they actually inhale the flames, instantly toasting the lung tissues, so
even if the brain still has the ability to try to breathe, it's not
happening.

(just my 2 cents, but) You need a different hobby--og




"Radium" <glucegen1@excite.com> wrote in message
news:1142135220.155422.137060@j52g2000cwj.googlegroups.com...
Quote:
Hi:

I wonder what would happen if each of my voluntary muscles [including
speech muscles; excluding breathing muscles] were completely relaxed
into a state of total paralysis [and could not contract or "un-relax"
no matter how much stimulation those muscles recieved] and someone
surrounded me with oxyacetylene flames and burned the skin all around
my body resulting in extensive superficial partial-thickness burns.
Lets also say -- for some magical reason -- the burns did not cause
immune responses [or affect my immune system at all], inflammatory
reactions, or hypovolemic shock, and that my environment was totally
sterile [free of infective agents], free of allergens [and other
irritants] and that the burns had no affect on my respiratory system at
all. In addition, let's say that the pain I experienced did not cause
hyperventilation and did not affect the respiratory system or immune
system at all and that I was totally conscious during this burning
procedure. Last but not least, lets say I am otherwise [other than the
burns and paralysis] totally healthy. What effects would the
excruciating pain of the burns have on my nervous and circulatory
systems? Would those effects be fatal?

Due to the paralysis, I would obviously be unable to scream or flinch
no matter how much pain I am in.


Thanks,

Radium
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Norminn
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 12, 2006 5:51 pm    Post subject: Re: Can "Burning" Pain Kill? Reply with quote

Radium wrote:
Quote:
Mortimer Schnerd, RN wrote:


I wonder about this too. Get back to us and let us know how it works out.


LOL

Is ANYONE going to give me a serious response to my question?

My questions about burns are NOT *homework*. They are questions of my
interest.

You should read a text about human anatomy and physiology, so you will

learn what/why what you describe cannot occur.
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Manky Badger
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 12, 2006 6:52 pm    Post subject: Re: Can "Burning" Pain Kill? Reply with quote

"Radium" <glucegen1@excite.com> wrote in message
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Quote:

Manky Badger wrote:
Why ?

Why this almost pathological fixation about asking burning -related
questions and then not liking the response you get ?

Because the responses are not serious. I am asking a serious question
and would appreciate serious scientific answer to my question.

But how can we reply to such nonsense?

"Lets also say -- for some magical reason -- the burns did not cause
immune responses [or affect my immune system at all], inflammatory
reactions, or hypovolemic shock"

but they will

"and that my environment was totally
sterile [free of infective agents], free of allergens [and other
irritants]"

but it's not

"and that the burns had no affect on my respiratory system at
all"

but they will

"In addition, let's say that the pain I experienced did not cause
hyperventilation and did not affect the respiratory system or immune
system at all"

but they will

" Last but not least, lets say I am otherwise [other than the
burns and paralysis] totally healthy."

But you can't be. So

" What effects would the
excruciating pain of the burns have on my nervous and circulatory
systems? Would those effects be fatal?"

becomes a totally nonsensical question.


Breakfast at Milliways? Oh, sorry, my mistake - that's only five impossible
things.
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Robert
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 12, 2006 7:22 pm    Post subject: Re: Can "Burning" Pain Kill? Reply with quote

"Manky Badger"
Quote:
But how can we reply to such nonsense?

"Lets also say -- for some magical reason -- the burns did not cause
immune responses [or affect my immune system at all], inflammatory
reactions, or hypovolemic shock"

That's not the first time he has asked questions about burning flesh. It has
been several times.

"Why Did My Epidermal Burn Look Like White Foam? Please Respond With
Reasonable Answers"

"Unconsciousness Can Prevent Death In Cases of Painful Injuries?? - bionet
neuroscience"
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Robert
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 12, 2006 7:24 pm    Post subject: Re: Can "Burning" Pain Kill? Reply with quote

"Norminn" <norminn@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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Quote:
Radium wrote:
Mortimer Schnerd, RN wrote:


I wonder about this too. Get back to us and let us know how it works
out.


LOL

Is ANYONE going to give me a serious response to my question?

My questions about burns are NOT *homework*. They are questions of my
interest.

You should read a text about human anatomy and physiology, so you will
learn what/why what you describe cannot occur.

He's probably beyond that by now and working on torching the neighbors dogs
and cats.
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nobody@junk.min.net
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 12, 2006 10:41 pm    Post subject: Re: Can "Burning" Pain Kill? Reply with quote

In <1142135220.155422.137060@j52g2000cwj.googlegroups.com>, on 03/11/06
at 07:47 PM, "Radium" <glucegen1@excite.com> said:


Quote:
I wonder what would happen if each of my voluntary muscles [including
speech muscles; excluding breathing muscles] were completely relaxed into
a state of total paralysis [and could not contract or "un-relax" no

How about just from upper chest down?

Quote:
matter how much stimulation those muscles recieved] and someone
surrounded me with oxyacetylene flames and burned the skin all around my
body resulting in extensive superficial partial-thickness burns. Lets
also say -- for some magical reason -- the burns did not cause immune
responses [or affect my immune system at all], inflammatory reactions, or
hypovolemic shock, and that my environment was totally sterile [free of
infective agents], free of allergens [and other irritants] and that the
burns had no affect on my respiratory system at all. In addition, let's
say that the pain I experienced did not cause hyperventilation and did
not affect the respiratory system or immune system at all and that I was
totally conscious during this burning procedure. Last but not least, lets
say I am otherwise [other than the burns and paralysis] totally healthy.
What effects would the excruciating pain of the burns have on my nervous
and circulatory systems? Would those effects be fatal?

Hasn't killed me after almost 25 years. It's called central pain
secondary to spinal cord injury.


Alan

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Ronnie
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 12, 2006 11:50 pm    Post subject: Re: Can "Burning" Pain Kill? Reply with quote

Hubby had 70% of his body burned years ago. He
had to learn to walk and talk again. Other than that
he is fine with no problems.

Ronnie
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Another is lit*
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In <1142135220.155422.137060@j52g2000cwj.googlegroups.com>, on 03/11/06
at 07:47 PM, "Radium" <glucegen1@excite.com> said:


I wonder what would happen if each of my voluntary muscles [including
speech muscles; excluding breathing muscles] were completely relaxed into
a state of total paralysis [and could not contract or "un-relax" no

How about just from upper chest down?

matter how much stimulation those muscles recieved] and someone
surrounded me with oxyacetylene flames and burned the skin all around my
body resulting in extensive superficial partial-thickness burns. Lets
also say -- for some magical reason -- the burns did not cause immune
responses [or affect my immune system at all], inflammatory reactions, or
hypovolemic shock, and that my environment was totally sterile [free of
infective agents], free of allergens [and other irritants] and that the
burns had no affect on my respiratory system at all. In addition, let's
say that the pain I experienced did not cause hyperventilation and did
not affect the respiratory system or immune system at all and that I was
totally conscious during this burning procedure. Last but not least, lets
say I am otherwise [other than the burns and paralysis] totally healthy.
What effects would the excruciating pain of the burns have on my nervous
and circulatory systems? Would those effects be fatal?

Hasn't killed me after almost 25 years. It's called central pain
secondary to spinal cord injury.


Alan

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SandyG
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 13, 2006 1:23 am    Post subject: Re: Can "Burning" Pain Kill? Reply with quote

Radium wrote:
Quote:
Robert wrote:
Ok it's time to see a shrink. Your fixation on burns and burning are
obvious. Leave Baptist churches alone or don't start any fires out
there. Run to a doctor now.

Huh? I am asking a serious question. I have no application. I am just
in it for the science. I am interested in the science of it.

Then you are in the wrong group. We are not in it "for the science of it".
We are in severe pain. Questions like yours are not helpful. Sorry.

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"It's not the I. It's not the YOU. It is the WE that gets US through."
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RalphRepo
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 14, 2006 4:03 am    Post subject: Re: Can "Burning" Pain Kill? Reply with quote

Quote:
On 11 Mar 2006 19:47:00 -0800, "Radium" <glucegen1@excite.com> wrote:
Hi:
I wonder what would happen if each of my voluntary muscles [including
speech muscles; excluding breathing muscles] were completely relaxed
into a state of total paralysis [and could not contract or "un-relax"
no matter how much stimulation those muscles recieved] and someone
surrounded me with oxyacetylene flames and burned the skin all around
my body resulting in extensive superficial partial-thickness burns.
Lets also say -- for some magical reason -- the burns did not cause
immune responses [or affect my immune system at all], inflammatory
reactions, or hypovolemic shock, and that my environment was totally
sterile [free of infective agents], free of allergens [and other
irritants] and that the burns had no affect on my respiratory system at
all. In addition, let's say that the pain I experienced did not cause
hyperventilation and did not affect the respiratory system or immune
system at all and that I was totally conscious during this burning
procedure. Last but not least, lets say I am otherwise [other than the
burns and paralysis] totally healthy. What effects would the
excruciating pain of the burns have on my nervous and circulatory
systems? Would those effects be fatal?
Due to the paralysis, I would obviously be unable to scream or flinch
no matter how much pain I am in.
Thanks,
Radium

It's nice to read assinine questions like these every once in a while.
Sort of validates the need for psychiatry.

Ralph
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