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greyhackles
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 15, 2005 6:32 pm    Post subject: Re: High ALT and AST Reply with quote

On Thu, 15 Dec 2005 15:13 +0000 (GMT Standard Time),
alan@veloceraptor.free-online.co.uk (Alan) wrote:

Quote:
In article <memo.20051215150609.304C@veloceraptor.free-online.co.uk>,
alan@veloceraptor.free-online.co.uk (Alan) wrote:

In article <memo.20051215150406.304B@veloceraptor.free-online.co.uk>,
alan@veloceraptor.free-online.co.uk (Alan) wrote:

In article <ra03q11kir6qdfmos82h4ra2tc0eo31o4q@4ax.com>,
greyhackles@NOSPAMyahoo.com (greyhackles) wrote:

Btw, if you start running out of asterisks, you can use '+' instead, with
no loss of impact...

Cheers

/greyhackles (and hth ;-)


+Does +That +Work +then?

Thanks. There is actually only one *feral* *cave* *dweller* and he has
always been +just a +lurker.

+Lets+ +try+ +it+ +this+ +way+

LMAO

It doesn't work for me with "+"s

ahahahahahahaha! Made you try it, anyway ;-)

Quote:
Ash-sea is that way ---------> you purveyor of *false* *information*

LOL!

btw, ash-c really did go <------------ thataway, it's clearly leftist...

Quote:
This is a *neat* and *tidy* newsgroup.

Really? I'd think all those senselessly slaughtered bytes from you repeatedly
respond to your own poasts without trimming would clutter up the dump.

I guess perspective is indeed everything...

Quote:
No *false* *information* allowed.

Right then. I'll certainly be keeping an eye out for same...

Cheers!

/greyhackles
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greyhackles
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 15, 2005 7:30 pm    Post subject: Re: High ALT and AST Reply with quote

On Thu, 15 Dec 2005 19:13 +0000 (GMT Standard Time),
alan@veloceraptor.free-online.co.uk (Alan) wrote:

Quote:
In article <87d3q1tv3pbigcj8u107cac8aeebe40442@4ax.com>,
greyhackles@NOSPAMyahoo.com (greyhackles) wrote:

ahahahahahahaha! Made you try it, anyway ;-)

Ash-sea is that way ---------> you purveyor of *false* *information*

LOL!

btw, ash-c really did go <------------ thataway, it's clearly leftist...

This is a *neat* and *tidy* newsgroup.

Really? I'd think all those senselessly slaughtered bytes from you repeatedly
respond to your own poasts without trimming would clutter up the dump.

I guess perspective is indeed everything...

No *false* *information* allowed.

Right then. I'll certainly be keeping an eye out for same...

*snigger*

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/video1040.htm

The Power of Nightmares - Part III

The Shadows In The Cave

The Power of Nightmares assesses whether the threat from a hidden and organised
terrorist network is an illusion. In the concluding part of the series, the
programme explains how the illusion was created and who benefits from it.

This is a must watch documentary - Broadcast 11/03/04 BBC 2 - Written and
produced by Adam Curtis

Hey *looser* guess who sat and watched the whole series on BBC2 in 2004?

Ummm......"looser"?

Quote:
*Moi*

And?

Quote:
But seeing as I lost two internet accounts for speaking the truth before, I have
just watch and waited, and he who laughs last, laughs loudest.

Suck it down *Monkee* *Boi* and when Blackwater come for you.......

*snigger*

So, apparently you want a prize of some sort?

Ok, here ya go. This is clearly for you...

http://www.digitalfog.com/gallery/enzyte.html

Enjoy ;-)

/greyhackles
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Waterspider
medicine forum Guru Wannabe


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Posts: 112

PostPosted: Thu Dec 15, 2005 7:34 pm    Post subject: Re: High ALT and AST Reply with quote

"Alan" <alan@veloceraptor.free-online.co.uk> wrote in message
news:memo.20051215102811.1044P@veloceraptor.free-online.co.uk...
Quote:
In article <11q1h51m63evo60@corp.supernews.com>, waterspider@moonlight.net
(Waterspider) wrote:


"Alan" <alan@veloceraptor.free-online.co.uk> wrote in message
news:memo.20051215005906.1012A@veloceraptor.free-online.co.uk...
In article <11q1el517svaf5c@corp.supernews.com>,
waterspider@moonlight.net
(Waterspider) wrote:


"Alan" <alan@veloceraptor.free-online.co.uk> wrote in message
news:memo.20051214235349.792A@veloceraptor.free-online.co.uk...
In article
memo.20051214234259.352C@veloceraptor.free-online.co.uk>,
alan@veloceraptor.free-online.co.uk (Alan) wrote:

In article <99a1q1hvm9a8b58fhg3pl2e94dvk0s4jdk@4ax.com>,
greyhackles@NOSPAMyahoo.com (greyhackles) wrote:

On Wed, 14 Dec 2005 23:16 +0000 (GMT Standard Time),
alan@veloceraptor.free-online.co.uk (Alan) wrote:

In article <nm81q1hi5bgmsfiu5lv9tr6tackv70rfvf@4ax.com>,
greyhackles@NOSPAMyahoo.com (greyhackles) wrote:

On 14 Dec 2005 11:15:18 -0800, "Nioski" <nioskidol@yahoo.it
wrote:

My ALT (142) and AST (65) levels are very high .

I often drink alcohol, but only on weekends,
and my BodyMassIndex is 26

Should I really worry ?

Thanks in advance

How does one measure "really worry"?

Your levels are clearly high, though with acute injury they
could
easily
be
many times higher than yours.

Bottom line, if you can't attribute the elevated LFTs to
something
already
diagnosed, it would be prudent to start the investigational
phase
now.
Not
later...

So call it "worried enough to find out what the problem is".

Cheers - and good luck.

/greyhackles

Ash-sea is that way -----------

Unless you are looking for a reciprocal visit, that is.

yawn
scratch><scratch

Bring it on, if you must. I've seen your work, and it wouldn't be
any
worse
than the chest thumping crusader shite currently on display. In
fact
I
wager
you'd provide an amusing interlude.

For someone who spends an inordinate amount of time replying to
his
own
poasts
here, you surely ought to have appreciated a break from the
silence...

btw, your memory is slipping.
ash-c is actually over <----------- there, right where you left
it.

Cheers, and be well.

/greyhackles

That's what the *feral* *cave* *dwellers* like to tell you, but
there
are
two
factors they don't know.

1. In any newsgroup the percentage of lurkers to active posters is
rather
significant.

And of course, the living proof of that is the fact that you and
Spidey
come
rushing in every time a newbie shows up, but somehow this time, I
just
don't see
you convincing anybody from Italy that drinking wine is bad.

I don't come rushing in every time a newbie shows up; I'm here all the
time
and post what, where and when I please. If I happen to respond to a
newbie,
so what? You read my response to Nioski; do you disagree with it?

Spidey

If you and I are always here then it is Greynuts who is talking s**t,
not
me.

Aw c'mon, Alan! He's right, it is a little boring in here with just the
two
of us. I like Grey's posts; he's got a brain and a sense of humour, the
same
reasons that I like your posts.

But he is wrong about you and I being here alone. We may be the only ones
posting but we are by no means here alone Smile

Okay, okay, let's agree that, here on usenet, "alone" means the only ones
posting.
Sheesh, you're just so *neat* and *tidy* sometimes! <grin>
Quote:


But Italians have wine with their food the way you or I would have tea
or
coffee. And even my doctor did not tell me that I mustn't drink. This
is
just
the way of thinking of American doctors and I bet Nioski's doctor is
like
mine,
and for that matter, Anja's, and PVTS's.

Now don't go believing everything your doctor tells (or not tells) you
without confirming it for yourself because not all doctors are
intelligent,
competent or dilligent. I could tell you horror stories about bad advice
and
bad decisions made by doctors.

There's a volume of solid, scientific evidence that drinking alcohol is
harmful to a liver with fibrosis or cirrhosis damage, which neither of us
will dispute. At what amount it becomes harmful, I don't know, but it
looks
to me like our Italian newbie wants someone to reassure him that drinking
is
no problem, and it looks like someone (his doctor?) may have recommended
otherwise. Si?

Spidey

Oh damn. I was kinda hoping that he would be a she. My first wife's
mother, the
grandmother of my kids, was actually born in Rome. I was kinda wondering
if I
could learn Italian over a few glasses of wine. Or maybe I am just being
bad
again? LOL Some folks believe everything in newsgroups yaknow?

Oops. My bad, and I've done this before. I assumed that Noiski was a man and
I don't even have a reason, good or otherwise, for the assumption.

Spidey
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Waterspider
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 15, 2005 7:38 pm    Post subject: Re: High ALT and AST Reply with quote

"Alan" <alan@veloceraptor.free-online.co.uk> wrote

Quote:
Thanks. There is actually only one *feral* *cave* *dweller* and he has
always
been +just a +lurker.


<loudly>

***AHEM!***

I must remind you, gentlemen, that I am the original Feral Cavedweller.

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PostPosted: Thu Dec 15, 2005 7:40 pm    Post subject: Re: High ALT and AST Reply with quote

"Alan" <alan@veloceraptor.free-online.co.uk> wrote
Quote:


Ash-sea is that way ---------> you purveyor of *false* *information*

Alan, you're taking the long way around.
The shortcut is that way <-----------
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greyhackles
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 15, 2005 8:41 pm    Post subject: Re: High ALT and AST Reply with quote

On Thu, 15 Dec 2005 20:16 +0000 (GMT Standard Time),
alan@veloceraptor.free-online.co.uk (Alan) wrote:

Quote:
In article <dtg3q1hnbe8jeot3vav36if6fe8vuupc12@4ax.com>,
greyhackles@NOSPAMyahoo.com (greyhackles) wrote:

*snip*

Ash-sea is that way ---------

And this is the one you should have sent me:

http://www.digitalfog.com/gallery/blondebathroom.htm

<splork!> ahahahahahahaha!

Good one! :-)

/greyhackles
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 15, 2005 9:47 pm    Post subject: Re: High ALT and AST Reply with quote

In article <87d3q1tv3pbigcj8u107cac8aeebe40442@4ax.com>,
greyhackles@NOSPAMyahoo.com (greyhackles) wrote:

Quote:
ahahahahahahaha! Made you try it, anyway ;-)

Ash-sea is that way ---------> you purveyor of *false* *information*

LOL!

btw, ash-c really did go <------------ thataway, it's clearly leftist...

This is a *neat* and *tidy* newsgroup.

Really? I'd think all those senselessly slaughtered bytes from you repeatedly
respond to your own poasts without trimming would clutter up the dump.

I guess perspective is indeed everything...

No *false* *information* allowed.

Right then. I'll certainly be keeping an eye out for same...

*snigger*

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/video1040.htm

The Power of Nightmares - Part III

The Shadows In The Cave

The Power of Nightmares assesses whether the threat from a hidden and organised
terrorist network is an illusion. In the concluding part of the series, the
programme explains how the illusion was created and who benefits from it.

This is a must watch documentary - Broadcast 11/03/04 BBC 2 - Written and
produced by Adam Curtis

Hey *looser* guess who sat and watched the whole series on BBC2 in 2004?

*Moi*

But seeing as I lost two internet accounts for speaking the truth before, I have
just watch and waited, and he who laughs last, laughs loudest.

Suck it down *Monkee* *Boi* and when Blackwater come for you.......

*snigger*


Lord Cerne Abbas

Humpty Dumpty Bush fell off the Iraq wall.
Humpty Dumpty Bush had a big fall.
All his spin doctors and all the President's men
couldn't put Humpty Dumpty Bush together again.

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http://www.veloceraptor.free-online.co.uk/mylinks.html

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PostPosted: Thu Dec 15, 2005 10:09 pm    Post subject: Re: High ALT and AST Reply with quote

In article <memo.20051215191308.304H@veloceraptor.free-online.co.uk>,
alan@veloceraptor.free-online.co.uk (Alan) wrote:

Quote:
In article <87d3q1tv3pbigcj8u107cac8aeebe40442@4ax.com>,
greyhackles@NOSPAMyahoo.com (greyhackles) wrote:

ahahahahahahaha! Made you try it, anyway ;-)

Ash-sea is that way ---------> you purveyor of *false* *information*

LOL!

btw, ash-c really did go <------------ thataway, it's clearly leftist...

This is a *neat* and *tidy* newsgroup.

Really? I'd think all those senselessly slaughtered bytes from you
repeatedly
respond to your own poasts without trimming would clutter up the dump.

I guess perspective is indeed everything...

No *false* *information* allowed.

Right then. I'll certainly be keeping an eye out for same...

*snigger*

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/video1040.htm

The Power of Nightmares - Part III

The Shadows In The Cave

The Power of Nightmares assesses whether the threat from a hidden and
organised terrorist network is an illusion. In the concluding part of the
series, the programme explains how the illusion was created and who benefits
from it.

This is a must watch documentary - Broadcast 11/03/04 BBC 2 - Written and
produced by Adam Curtis

Hey *looser* guess who sat and watched the whole series on BBC2 in 2004?

*Moi*

But seeing as I lost two internet accounts for speaking the truth before, I
have just watch and waited, and he who laughs last, laughs loudest.

Suck it down *Monkee* *Boi* and when Blackwater come for you.......

*snigger*


http://www.democracynow.org/article.pl?sid=04/12/08/1520209

Weapons of Mass Deception: New Film Documents How the Corporate Media Muzzled
the Truth About Iraq

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Wednesday, December 8th, 2004
Weapons of Mass Deception: New Film Documents How the Corporate Media Muzzled
the Truth About Iraq

Listen to Segment || Download Show mp3
Watch 128k stream Watch 256k stream

A new documentary called "Weapons of Mass Deception," by Danny Schechter of
Mediachannel.org. documents the media's biased coverage of the Iraq War.
[includes rush transcript] An April 2004 poll by the Program on International
Policy Attitudes at the University of Maryland found that almost half of the
American public still believed Saddam Hussein had weapons of mass destruction
before the invasion of Iraq and 57% believe Hussein gave substantial support to
Al Qaeda. There's no known documentary or physical evidence to date that these
statements are true. So why do Americans believe this?

A new documentary called "Weapons of Mass Deception," by Danny Schechter of
Mediachannel.org. documents the media's biased coverage of the Iraq War.

* Danny Schechter, Executive Director of Mediachannel.org and producer and
director of the new documentary "Weapons of Mass Deception."
* Excerpts of Weapons of Mass Deception.

RUSH TRANSCRIPT

This transcript is available free of charge, however donations help us provide
closed captioning for the deaf and hard of hearing on our TV broadcast. Thank
you for your generous contribution.
Donate - $25, $50, $100, more...

AMY GOODMAN: There's a new documentary that’s opening this weekend in Washington
DC at the Landmark Theater and in Berkeley in San Francisco at the Oaks in the
Embarcadero. It's called Weapons of Mass Deception. It's by that news dissector
Danny Schechter, and the award-winning filmmaker who runs mediachannel.org. The
film documents the media’s biased coverage of the Iraq war. And he joins us in
the studio. Welcome to Democracy Now!

DANNY SCHECHTER: Thanks Amy. You know those studies are of course only the tip
of the iceberg, and there have been other studies as well. 42% of the American
people believe there were Iraqi hijackers on the planes that hit the World Trade
Center. Again it was intimation, insinuation suggestion. You know if these guys
hate us, if Saddam Hussein speaks Arabic, hates America – Osama speaks Arabic,
hates America - therefore Saddam is Osama. This is the logic of a lot of the
media reporting. The kind of slipping, merging of personalities, the idea that
these are our enemies and therefore distinctions cannot be drawn, must not be
drawn. This created a big percentage of people in the United States who
supported this war based on what they thought was true. Their impressions. Not
information. And this is where our media is to be faulted because it's
degenerated to the point where it does not challenge media coverage, rather
presidential claims and government claims. And significantly, just two weeks
ago, the presidents of the news divisions of ABC, NBC and CBS meeting out at
Stanford University all admitted their coverage was not critical enough. Simply
stated, we let the American people down is what the president of ABC News, David
Weston said. Thank you, David for that admission, but it’s a little late, don’t
you think.

AMY GOODMAN: Danny Schechter will be with us after the break. We also want to
play a clip of the film, one of the clips will be what happened to un-embedded
reporters in Iraq. We're going to talk about a case that we have been
investigating over the last few weeks in Madrid, Spain with the family of Jose
Couso, the Spanish filmmaker who was killed when he was filming at the Palestine
Hotel. Stay with us.

[break]

AMY GOODMAN: This is Democracy Now!, democracy now.org, the war and peace
report. We're talking about a new film opening in Washington and California,
Berkeley and San Francisco this week. It's called WMD, Weapons of Mass
Deception. The filmmaker joins us, Danny Schechter. We want to play a couple of
clips from this film. The first is about Jose Couso. Set it up for us.

DANNY SCHECHTER: Were journalist targeted during the war in Iraq? There were a
number of incidents, friendly fire. Was it deliberate? Were reporters killed who
were un-embedded, who were challenging the dominant view that the American
military wanted to get out by offering a contrasting narrative? That's the
question many people are debating. What happened at the Palestine Hotel on April
8, 2003 is very significant in this respect and we cover it in the film WMD.

AMY GOODMAN: Well, I’ll say that I think everyone remembers what happened the
day after, when the statue of Saddam Hussein was brought down by U.S. troops,
because we saw that all day and night on television. This is what happened the
day before.

NARRATOR: Journalists and media workers were targeted in Iraq. Was it
deliberate? To keep the story on message by intimidating un-embedded
journalists. How did the media in the street challenge these killings? Some were
killed by so-called friendly fire. Others victims of calculated attacks,
missiles, tank shells, and bombs dropped on or near journalists. Some media
critics concluded it was intentional, although the Pentagon denied it. Before
the war, the BBC’s Kate Adey reported she was told by the Pentagon that
independent journalists could be targeted.

REPORTER: The 15th floor of the Palestine Hotel was the target. A US tank
shelled the Palestine Hotel, which was crowded with journalists, killing two
cameramen. One works for a Spanish network, and the other one works for Reuters.

NARRATOR: Now another incident. Look at this. An American tank on the
bridge across from the Palestine hotel in Baghdad. A soldier claimed his tank
was fired on. Listen carefully. There are no sounds.

SAMIA NAKHOUL: We moved to the Palestine hotel because the Pentagon asked
our organizations to let us leave because it was a target and when we moved to
the Palestine Hotel our organization told the Pentagon we were at the Palestine
hotel. So did ever news organization.

NARRATOR: Again, minutes later no sounds were heard, no one firing at U.S.
soldiers. Suddenly without provocation –

SAMIA NAKHOUL: We saw an orange glow, and this was the tank shell that hit
our office. And you can imagine the panic, the wounded it was me and another
photographer. I can't imagine that they would target journalists. You know, I
couldn't believe why would they target us? What have we done to them?

NARRATOR: After the war press freedom groups were still demanding a real
investigation. The Pentagon's Victoria Clark told me there was a report that
showed that the soldiers were acting in self-defense.

NARRATOR: Was there any attempt to find out the facts independently or a
thorough investigation?

SAMIA NAKHOUL: No – the Pentagon never interviewed me personally on it. I
don’t think any of my colleagues were interviewed by the Pentagon.

NARRATOR: Samia’s organization, Reuters demanded an independent
investigation, but most media companies didn't even press on this issue. No one
was held accountable. It was all passed off as an accident, the fog of war and
all that.

AMY GOODMAN: WMD, Weapons of Mass Deception, a film opening this weekend in San
Francisco, Berkeley and Washington DC. Danny Schechter, the whole issue of
embedded versus un-embedded journalists, actually, Jose Couso’s family – his
mother and brother Javier - are coming to the United States, calling for an
investigation. Javier went back to Iraq or went to Iraq for the first time on
the anniversary of Jose Couso's death and thanked the doctors who tried to save
him and then went to lay flowers at Palestine Hotel. He told us last week on
Democracy Now! that the U.S. military put a gun to his head and wouldn't let him
lay those flowers.

DANNY SCHECHTER: What’s also outrageous is that the American media companies did
not demand an investigation of this, did not join Reuters in demanding an
investigation. So it just wasn't just complicity and collusion in the coverage
of the war but a refusal to get involved in an effort to try to find out what
really happened, what the facts were. To try to get at the truth of what
happened to their own people. That to me compounds the shock of the way in which
the media played the role it did. I’m a former ABC News, CNN producer. I’ve been
working at global vision all these years, I’ve been trying to cover
under-covered and unreported stories. And I felt that the coverage of the war
was one of the most under-covered stories and one of the most important stories.
Because if we can't have a media we trust and depend on, how do we have a
democracy or democracy now. That's why I felt this story is so important. We
made this film at 1% of the cost of Fahrenheit 911, it's been a big struggle.
The Cinema Libre company that distributed Out-Foxed is distributing this film to
theaters. We need support – we need people to come out and see this film this
weekend in Washington DC, and in Berkeley and San Francisco.

AMY GOODMAN: For people to understand the politics how a new film coming out
works, what really determines it's success, whether it gets out to a larger
number of theaters is who comes out in the first or the number of people that
come out in the first few days. They’re simply counting bodies.

DANNY SCHECHTER: Exactly. When we were in Boston, we're going to be remaining in
Boston at the, you know, the theater there in Cambridge and I believe that this
film is very very important because it's part of the whole media and democracy
movement to get people to recognize we need to keep the media accountable and to
understand the role that media plays.

AMY GOODMAN: Danny, set up this next clip that we will go out with and it's
about depleted uranium.

DANNY SCHECHTER: One of the things that WMD shows is what wasn’t shown in
America in the media during the war. I compared and contrasted coverage here
with coverage in other countries. And this section is information dominance
which basically depends on censorship and suppression of information.

AMY GOODMAN: This is from WMD, Weapons of Mass Deception.

NARRATOR: Information dominance requires censorship. Little attention was
paid to U.S. weapons that caused mass destruction like legally prohibited
cluster bombs that target civilians.

RENE HORN: It was a cluster bomb. The bomb with multiple mini-bombs is
dropped from an aircraft focusing on targeted areas.

NARRATOR: South African viewers learned about how cluster bombs worked and
the damage they cause. An under-reported fact, half of Iraq’s population is
under the age of 15. These young people became a primary target. This is what
Baghdad’s pediatric hospital looked like - floor after floor of cluster bomb
survivors. This was filmed not by a network but by independent filmmaker Patrick
Dillon. Human rights watch reported cluster weapons caused several hundred
casualties like these. There was extensive use of napalm-like Mark77 fire bombs.
It was denied at first but then admitted. But more onerous was the almost total
blackout on the use of radioactive depleted uranium, which hardens anti-tank
weapons. This is especially ironic in light of Washington’s constant claims of
an Iraqi nuclear threat. The issue was covered overseas. A German journalist
documented this proliferation in an Emmy award-winning report for ARD in
Germany.

INTERVIEWER: [subtitled] Are you aware that this tank is contaminated with
radiation?

SOLDIER: [subtitled] No, it isn’t radioactive.

INTERVIEWER: [subtitled] But we have measured it.

SOLDIER: [subtitled] No, it isn’t radioactive, not this tank.

INTERVIEWER: [subtitled] It was destroyed by depleted uranium ammunition.

SOLDIER: [subtitled] Sorry, we have to get back to work.

BBC REPORTER: In the British back office a list of trouble ...

NARRATOR: BBC took viewers into a back room at the coalition media center.
On the wall, a list of subjects briefers were ordered to avoid. On that list,
DU, or depleted uranium.

AMY GOODMAN: An excerpt from WMD, Weapons of Mass Deception. Again, it opens in
Washington and San Francisco and Berkeley this weekend. In Berkeley at the Oaks
theater, in San Francisco at the Embarcadero, and in Washington on E street at
the Landmark. Danny Schechter, the filmmaker, the Emmy award-winning CNN, former
ABC producer.

Get it *Monkee* *Boy* ?

Two internet accounts paid back in full.

*snigger*

Now go back to ash-sea and whine about your hepatitis problems, but somehow I
think you have bigger worries then hepatitis, with all the Blackwater Guys we
saw in New Orleans.


Alan

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PostPosted: Thu Dec 15, 2005 10:47 pm    Post subject: Re: High ALT and AST Reply with quote

In article <dtg3q1hnbe8jeot3vav36if6fe8vuupc12@4ax.com>,
greyhackles@NOSPAMyahoo.com (greyhackles) wrote:

*snip*

Ash-sea is that way --------->

And this is the one you should have sent me:

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PostPosted: Thu Dec 15, 2005 11:07 pm    Post subject: Re: High ALT and AST Reply with quote

In article <11q3h9rscou0vff@corp.supernews.com>, waterspider@moonlight.net
(Waterspider) wrote:

Quote:

"Alan" <alan@veloceraptor.free-online.co.uk> wrote in message
news:memo.20051215102811.1044P@veloceraptor.free-online.co.uk...
In article <11q1h51m63evo60@corp.supernews.com>, waterspider@moonlight.net
(Waterspider) wrote:


"Alan" <alan@veloceraptor.free-online.co.uk> wrote in message
news:memo.20051215005906.1012A@veloceraptor.free-online.co.uk...
In article <11q1el517svaf5c@corp.supernews.com>,
waterspider@moonlight.net
(Waterspider) wrote:


"Alan" <alan@veloceraptor.free-online.co.uk> wrote in message
news:memo.20051214235349.792A@veloceraptor.free-online.co.uk...
In article
memo.20051214234259.352C@veloceraptor.free-online.co.uk>,
alan@veloceraptor.free-online.co.uk (Alan) wrote:

In article <99a1q1hvm9a8b58fhg3pl2e94dvk0s4jdk@4ax.com>,
greyhackles@NOSPAMyahoo.com (greyhackles) wrote:

On Wed, 14 Dec 2005 23:16 +0000 (GMT Standard Time),
alan@veloceraptor.free-online.co.uk (Alan) wrote:

In article <nm81q1hi5bgmsfiu5lv9tr6tackv70rfvf@4ax.com>,
greyhackles@NOSPAMyahoo.com (greyhackles) wrote:

On 14 Dec 2005 11:15:18 -0800, "Nioski" <nioskidol@yahoo.it
wrote:

My ALT (142) and AST (65) levels are very high .

I often drink alcohol, but only on weekends,
and my BodyMassIndex is 26

Should I really worry ?

Thanks in advance

How does one measure "really worry"?

Your levels are clearly high, though with acute injury they
could
easily
be
many times higher than yours.

Bottom line, if you can't attribute the elevated LFTs to
something
already
diagnosed, it would be prudent to start the investigational
phase
now.
Not
later...

So call it "worried enough to find out what the problem is".

Cheers - and good luck.

/greyhackles

Ash-sea is that way -----------

Unless you are looking for a reciprocal visit, that is.

yawn
scratch><scratch

Bring it on, if you must. I've seen your work, and it wouldn't be
any
worse
than the chest thumping crusader shite currently on display. In
fact
I
wager
you'd provide an amusing interlude.

For someone who spends an inordinate amount of time replying to
his
own
poasts
here, you surely ought to have appreciated a break from the
silence...

btw, your memory is slipping.
ash-c is actually over <----------- there, right where you left
it.

Cheers, and be well.

/greyhackles

That's what the *feral* *cave* *dwellers* like to tell you, but
there
are
two
factors they don't know.

1. In any newsgroup the percentage of lurkers to active posters is
rather
significant.

And of course, the living proof of that is the fact that you and
Spidey
come
rushing in every time a newbie shows up, but somehow this time, I
just
don't see
you convincing anybody from Italy that drinking wine is bad.

I don't come rushing in every time a newbie shows up; I'm here all the
time
and post what, where and when I please. If I happen to respond to a
newbie,
so what? You read my response to Nioski; do you disagree with it?

Spidey

If you and I are always here then it is Greynuts who is talking s**t,
not
me.

Aw c'mon, Alan! He's right, it is a little boring in here with just the
two
of us. I like Grey's posts; he's got a brain and a sense of humour, the
same
reasons that I like your posts.

But he is wrong about you and I being here alone. We may be the only ones
posting but we are by no means here alone :-)

Okay, okay, let's agree that, here on usenet, "alone" means the only ones
posting.
Sheesh, you're just so *neat* and *tidy* sometimes! <grin

LOL I have been known to nit-pick.


Quote:
But Italians have wine with their food the way you or I would have tea
or
coffee. And even my doctor did not tell me that I mustn't drink. This
is
just
the way of thinking of American doctors and I bet Nioski's doctor is
like
mine,
and for that matter, Anja's, and PVTS's.

Now don't go believing everything your doctor tells (or not tells) you
without confirming it for yourself because not all doctors are
intelligent,
competent or dilligent. I could tell you horror stories about bad advice
and
bad decisions made by doctors.

There's a volume of solid, scientific evidence that drinking alcohol is
harmful to a liver with fibrosis or cirrhosis damage, which neither of us
will dispute. At what amount it becomes harmful, I don't know, but it
looks
to me like our Italian newbie wants someone to reassure him that drinking
is
no problem, and it looks like someone (his doctor?) may have recommended
otherwise. Si?

Spidey

Oh damn. I was kinda hoping that he would be a she. My first wife's
mother, the
grandmother of my kids, was actually born in Rome. I was kinda wondering
if I
could learn Italian over a few glasses of wine. Or maybe I am just being
bad
again? LOL Some folks believe everything in newsgroups yaknow?

Oops. My bad, and I've done this before. I assumed that Noiski was a man and
I don't even have a reason, good or otherwise, for the assumption.

You're probably right, or it could be that you are as bad as me :-)

He/She has probably decided we are all crazy and is probably googling for
ash-sea. Shouldn't you give the right name?

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PostPosted: Thu Dec 15, 2005 11:07 pm    Post subject: Re: High ALT and AST Reply with quote

In article <11q3hhmbha2r9b2@corp.supernews.com>, waterspider@moonlight.net
(Waterspider) wrote:

Quote:

"Alan" <alan@veloceraptor.free-online.co.uk> wrote

Thanks. There is actually only one *feral* *cave* *dweller* and he has
always
been +just a +lurker.


loudly

***AHEM!***

I must remind you, gentlemen, that I am the original Feral Cavedweller.

Waterspider

LOL. So do you scratch and bite?


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Humpty Dumpty Bush fell off the Iraq wall.
Humpty Dumpty Bush had a big fall.
All his spin doctors and all the President's men
couldn't put Humpty Dumpty Bush together again.

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PostPosted: Thu Dec 15, 2005 11:07 pm    Post subject: Re: High ALT and AST Reply with quote

In article <11q3hl7aens3fc@corp.supernews.com>, waterspider@moonlight.net
(Waterspider) wrote:

Quote:

"Alan" <alan@veloceraptor.free-online.co.uk> wrote


Ash-sea is that way ---------> you purveyor of *false* *information*

Alan, you're taking the long way around.
The shortcut is that way <-----------

Yes, but the long way round is invariably more scenic and interesting.



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PostPosted: Thu Dec 15, 2005 11:29 pm    Post subject: Re: High ALT and AST Reply with quote

In article <p2l3q158f3pmp14l8uuf2gc55gb629bho5@4ax.com>,
greyhackles@NOSPAMyahoo.com (greyhackles) wrote:

Quote:
On Thu, 15 Dec 2005 20:16 +0000 (GMT Standard Time),
alan@veloceraptor.free-online.co.uk (Alan) wrote:

In article <dtg3q1hnbe8jeot3vav36if6fe8vuupc12@4ax.com>,
greyhackles@NOSPAMyahoo.com (greyhackles) wrote:

*snip*

Ash-sea is that way ---------

And this is the one you should have sent me:

http://www.digitalfog.com/gallery/blondebathroom.htm

splork!> ahahahahahahaha!

Good one! :-)

/greyhackles

Actually I left the blonde with my computer while I was in the bathroom. Big
mistake Smile I see she still looks like a brunette on Elmo's web-page. LMAO



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PostPosted: Fri Dec 16, 2005 9:43 am    Post subject: Re: High ALT and AST Reply with quote

Thanks !

I already decided not to drink for a while
and not even eat sooooo much *every night* before I go to bed.

I am going to a doctor this afternoon, and my question was:
are these levels so high I should really worry or they might just be a
temporary problem ?

Thanks again
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 16, 2005 1:15 pm    Post subject: Re: High ALT and AST Reply with quote

In article <1134726199.209765.171800@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
nioskidol@yahoo.it (Lou) wrote:

Quote:
Thanks !

I already decided not to drink for a while
and not even eat sooooo much *every night* before I go to bed.

I am going to a doctor this afternoon, and my question was:
are these levels so high I should really worry or they might just be a
temporary problem ?

Thanks again

Good luck at the doctor's place. They will probably send you for a biopsy to
find out what is going on.



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