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greyhackles
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 15, 2005 1:51 am    Post subject: Re: High ALT and AST Reply with quote

On Wed, 14 Dec 2005 23:53 +0000 (GMT Standard Time),
alan@veloceraptor.free-online.co.uk (Alan) wrote:

Quote:
In article <memo.20051214234259.352C@veloceraptor.free-online.co.uk>,
alan@veloceraptor.free-online.co.uk (Alan) wrote:

In article <99a1q1hvm9a8b58fhg3pl2e94dvk0s4jdk@4ax.com>,
greyhackles@NOSPAMyahoo.com (greyhackles) wrote:

On Wed, 14 Dec 2005 23:16 +0000 (GMT Standard Time),
alan@veloceraptor.free-online.co.uk (Alan) wrote:

In article <nm81q1hi5bgmsfiu5lv9tr6tackv70rfvf@4ax.com>,
greyhackles@NOSPAMyahoo.com (greyhackles) wrote:

On 14 Dec 2005 11:15:18 -0800, "Nioski" <nioskidol@yahoo.it> wrote:

My ALT (142) and AST (65) levels are very high .

I often drink alcohol, but only on weekends,
and my BodyMassIndex is 26

Should I really worry ?

Thanks in advance

How does one measure "really worry"?

Your levels are clearly high, though with acute injury they could easily
be
many times higher than yours.

Bottom line, if you can't attribute the elevated LFTs to something
already
diagnosed, it would be prudent to start the investigational phase now.
Not
later...

So call it "worried enough to find out what the problem is".

Cheers - and good luck.

/greyhackles

Ash-sea is that way -----------

Unless you are looking for a reciprocal visit, that is.

yawn
scratch><scratch

Bring it on, if you must. I've seen your work, and it wouldn't be any worse
than the chest thumping crusader shite currently on display. In fact I wager
you'd provide an amusing interlude.

For someone who spends an inordinate amount of time replying to his own
poasts
here, you surely ought to have appreciated a break from the silence...

btw, your memory is slipping.
ash-c is actually over <----------- there, right where you left it.

Cheers, and be well.

/greyhackles

That's what the *feral* *cave* *dwellers* like to tell you, but there are two
factors they don't know.

1. In any newsgroup the percentage of lurkers to active posters is rather
significant.

And of course, the living proof of that is the fact that you and Spidey come
rushing in every time a newbie shows up, but somehow this time, I just don't see
you convincing anybody from Italy that drinking wine is bad.

"Come rushing in"? Is that what you call responding to posted requests for
opinions?

Of course, being at least minimally sentient, you noted I made no attempt to
be critical, nor did I even mention the theory that his apparent condition had
or has anything to do with alcohol in any form.

Anyway....may we cut to the chase scene?

Clearly, anyone that actually is willing to dialog with newbies (or perhaps
*anyone*) here is a threat to your sense of control.

Well, that's tough nuggies, son. I got my Anti-Fucktard inoculation on board,
so I have no reason to slink off.

Life is full of disappointments. Deal with it.

Quote:
*snigger*

*shonkey*

/greyhackles
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 15, 2005 2:11 am    Post subject: Re: High ALT and AST Reply with quote

In article <99a1q1hvm9a8b58fhg3pl2e94dvk0s4jdk@4ax.com>,
greyhackles@NOSPAMyahoo.com (greyhackles) wrote:

Quote:
On Wed, 14 Dec 2005 23:16 +0000 (GMT Standard Time),
alan@veloceraptor.free-online.co.uk (Alan) wrote:

In article <nm81q1hi5bgmsfiu5lv9tr6tackv70rfvf@4ax.com>,
greyhackles@NOSPAMyahoo.com (greyhackles) wrote:

On 14 Dec 2005 11:15:18 -0800, "Nioski" <nioskidol@yahoo.it> wrote:

My ALT (142) and AST (65) levels are very high .

I often drink alcohol, but only on weekends,
and my BodyMassIndex is 26

Should I really worry ?

Thanks in advance

How does one measure "really worry"?

Your levels are clearly high, though with acute injury they could easily be
many times higher than yours.

Bottom line, if you can't attribute the elevated LFTs to something already
diagnosed, it would be prudent to start the investigational phase now. Not
later...

So call it "worried enough to find out what the problem is".

Cheers - and good luck.

/greyhackles

Ash-sea is that way -----------

Unless you are looking for a reciprocal visit, that is.

yawn
scratch><scratch

Bring it on, if you must. I've seen your work, and it wouldn't be any worse
than the chest thumping crusader shite currently on display. In fact I wager
you'd provide an amusing interlude.

For someone who spends an inordinate amount of time replying to his own poasts
here, you surely ought to have appreciated a break from the silence...

btw, your memory is slipping.
ash-c is actually over <----------- there, right where you left it.

Cheers, and be well.

/greyhackles

That's what the *feral* *cave* *dwellers* like to tell you, but there are two
factors they don't know.

1. In any newsgroup the percentage of lurkers to active posters is rather
significant.

2. Everything posted to this newsgroup gets archived for ever in certain
European medical forums. Hey, Google is your friend. Check it out for yourself.



Alan

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Can't you see we're still here,
Singing loud; Singing clear,
We shall not go under,
We're still here."

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PostPosted: Thu Dec 15, 2005 2:27 am    Post subject: Re: High ALT and AST Reply with quote

In article <memo.20051214234259.352C@veloceraptor.free-online.co.uk>,
alan@veloceraptor.free-online.co.uk (Alan) wrote:

Quote:
In article <99a1q1hvm9a8b58fhg3pl2e94dvk0s4jdk@4ax.com>,
greyhackles@NOSPAMyahoo.com (greyhackles) wrote:

On Wed, 14 Dec 2005 23:16 +0000 (GMT Standard Time),
alan@veloceraptor.free-online.co.uk (Alan) wrote:

In article <nm81q1hi5bgmsfiu5lv9tr6tackv70rfvf@4ax.com>,
greyhackles@NOSPAMyahoo.com (greyhackles) wrote:

On 14 Dec 2005 11:15:18 -0800, "Nioski" <nioskidol@yahoo.it> wrote:

My ALT (142) and AST (65) levels are very high .

I often drink alcohol, but only on weekends,
and my BodyMassIndex is 26

Should I really worry ?

Thanks in advance

How does one measure "really worry"?

Your levels are clearly high, though with acute injury they could easily
be
many times higher than yours.

Bottom line, if you can't attribute the elevated LFTs to something
already
diagnosed, it would be prudent to start the investigational phase now.
Not
later...

So call it "worried enough to find out what the problem is".

Cheers - and good luck.

/greyhackles

Ash-sea is that way -----------

Unless you are looking for a reciprocal visit, that is.

yawn
scratch><scratch

Bring it on, if you must. I've seen your work, and it wouldn't be any worse
than the chest thumping crusader shite currently on display. In fact I wager
you'd provide an amusing interlude.

For someone who spends an inordinate amount of time replying to his own
poasts
here, you surely ought to have appreciated a break from the silence...

btw, your memory is slipping.
ash-c is actually over <----------- there, right where you left it.

Cheers, and be well.

/greyhackles

That's what the *feral* *cave* *dwellers* like to tell you, but there are two
factors they don't know.

1. In any newsgroup the percentage of lurkers to active posters is rather
significant.

And of course, the living proof of that is the fact that you and Spidey come
rushing in every time a newbie shows up, but somehow this time, I just don't see
you convincing anybody from Italy that drinking wine is bad.

*snigger*



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Humpty Dumpty Bush had a big fall.
All his spin doctors and all the President's men
couldn't put Humpty Dumpty Bush together again.

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PostPosted: Thu Dec 15, 2005 3:08 am    Post subject: Re: High ALT and AST Reply with quote

In article <11q1c3nspn7jsd2@corp.supernews.com>, waterspider@moonlight.net
(Waterspider) wrote:

Quote:

"Alan" <alan@veloceraptor.free-online.co.uk> wrote in message
news:memo.20051214223438.352G@veloceraptor.free-online.co.uk...
In article <11q14m0m4pk9efc@corp.supernews.com>, waterspider@moonlight.net
(Waterspider) wrote:


"Alan" <alan@veloceraptor.free-online.co.uk> wrote in message
news:memo.20051214213255.352C@veloceraptor.free-online.co.uk...

Hey Spidey, how about if we have a succinct contest? Your place or
mine?
:-)

Yes.

Hey, are you trying to lead me into temptation? :-)

Nope, just won the succinctness contest.
grin

Spidey

LMAO. I guess you did. I was thinking what an obtuse answer.

This is for us Un-Americans:

http://www.unamerican.com/



Alan

"Can't you see we're still here,
Can't you see we're still here,
Singing loud; Singing clear,
We shall not go under,
We're still here."

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PostPosted: Thu Dec 15, 2005 3:27 am    Post subject: Re: High ALT and AST Reply with quote

In article <11q1el517svaf5c@corp.supernews.com>, waterspider@moonlight.net
(Waterspider) wrote:

Quote:

"Alan" <alan@veloceraptor.free-online.co.uk> wrote in message
news:memo.20051214235349.792A@veloceraptor.free-online.co.uk...
In article <memo.20051214234259.352C@veloceraptor.free-online.co.uk>,
alan@veloceraptor.free-online.co.uk (Alan) wrote:

In article <99a1q1hvm9a8b58fhg3pl2e94dvk0s4jdk@4ax.com>,
greyhackles@NOSPAMyahoo.com (greyhackles) wrote:

On Wed, 14 Dec 2005 23:16 +0000 (GMT Standard Time),
alan@veloceraptor.free-online.co.uk (Alan) wrote:

In article <nm81q1hi5bgmsfiu5lv9tr6tackv70rfvf@4ax.com>,
greyhackles@NOSPAMyahoo.com (greyhackles) wrote:

On 14 Dec 2005 11:15:18 -0800, "Nioski" <nioskidol@yahoo.it> wrote:

My ALT (142) and AST (65) levels are very high .

I often drink alcohol, but only on weekends,
and my BodyMassIndex is 26

Should I really worry ?

Thanks in advance

How does one measure "really worry"?

Your levels are clearly high, though with acute injury they could
easily
be
many times higher than yours.

Bottom line, if you can't attribute the elevated LFTs to something
already
diagnosed, it would be prudent to start the investigational phase
now.
Not
later...

So call it "worried enough to find out what the problem is".

Cheers - and good luck.

/greyhackles

Ash-sea is that way -----------

Unless you are looking for a reciprocal visit, that is.

yawn
scratch><scratch

Bring it on, if you must. I've seen your work, and it wouldn't be any
worse
than the chest thumping crusader shite currently on display. In fact I
wager
you'd provide an amusing interlude.

For someone who spends an inordinate amount of time replying to his own
poasts
here, you surely ought to have appreciated a break from the silence...

btw, your memory is slipping.
ash-c is actually over <----------- there, right where you left it.

Cheers, and be well.

/greyhackles

That's what the *feral* *cave* *dwellers* like to tell you, but there are
two
factors they don't know.

1. In any newsgroup the percentage of lurkers to active posters is rather
significant.

And of course, the living proof of that is the fact that you and Spidey
come
rushing in every time a newbie shows up, but somehow this time, I just
don't see
you convincing anybody from Italy that drinking wine is bad.

I don't come rushing in every time a newbie shows up; I'm here all the time
and post what, where and when I please. If I happen to respond to a newbie,
so what? You read my response to Nioski; do you disagree with it?

Spidey

If you and I are always here then it is Greynuts who is talking s**t, not me.

But Italians have wine with their food the way you or I would have tea or
coffee. And even my doctor did not tell me that I mustn't drink. This is just
the way of thinking of American doctors and I bet Nioski's doctor is like mine,
and for that matter, Anja's, and PVTS's.


Alan

"Can't you see we're still here,
Can't you see we're still here,
Singing loud; Singing clear,
We shall not go under,
We're still here."

Nemesis Peace Centre

http://www.veloceraptor.free-online.co.uk/protector.html

Abuse of Women and Children

http://theoriginalfirebird.blogspot.com/

Nemesis News

http://lordcerneabbas.blogspot.com/

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PostPosted: Thu Dec 15, 2005 12:45 pm    Post subject: Re: High ALT and AST Reply with quote

In article <lsh1q15k1n6ivrtoer1rcm0f7o43fqamps@4ax.com>,
greyhackles@NOSPAMyahoo.com (greyhackles) wrote:

Quote:
What is the sound of a group full of lurkers?

Shall I put it another way? I could name six of the lurkers, and shall we say
that I know that they know full well when I post some useful and when I am
simply winding *feral* *cave* *dwellers* up.

Quote:
Do you understand the term "non sequitur"?

Yes! It's one of those expressions that certain people like to use to make
themselves sound impressive to the average *feral* *cave* *dweller*

My school badge said something like that in Latin too, but in reality Latin is
as dead as the old Roman Empire, and as dead as the New Roman Empire will soon
be. The trouble with Roman Empires is that they tend to be destroyed from
internal insurrection while their armies are fighting "Barbaric hoards"
attacking from the east. My favourite part of Julius Caesar was as he lay there
dying after his friends stabbed him to death and he says "Et Tu Bruti".


Alan

"Can't you see we're still here,
Can't you see we're still here,
Singing loud; Singing clear,
We shall not go under,
We're still here."

Nemesis Peace Centre

http://www.veloceraptor.free-online.co.uk/protector.html

Abuse of Women and Children

http://theoriginalfirebird.blogspot.com/

Nemesis News

http://lordcerneabbas.blogspot.com/

Absolute Anarchy

http://lordcerneabbastoo.blogspot.com/

http://www.john-lennon.com/
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 15, 2005 12:55 pm    Post subject: Re: High ALT and AST Reply with quote

In article <11q1h51m63evo60@corp.supernews.com>, waterspider@moonlight.net
(Waterspider) wrote:

Quote:

"Alan" <alan@veloceraptor.free-online.co.uk> wrote in message
news:memo.20051215005906.1012A@veloceraptor.free-online.co.uk...
In article <11q1el517svaf5c@corp.supernews.com>, waterspider@moonlight.net
(Waterspider) wrote:


"Alan" <alan@veloceraptor.free-online.co.uk> wrote in message
news:memo.20051214235349.792A@veloceraptor.free-online.co.uk...
In article <memo.20051214234259.352C@veloceraptor.free-online.co.uk>,
alan@veloceraptor.free-online.co.uk (Alan) wrote:

In article <99a1q1hvm9a8b58fhg3pl2e94dvk0s4jdk@4ax.com>,
greyhackles@NOSPAMyahoo.com (greyhackles) wrote:

On Wed, 14 Dec 2005 23:16 +0000 (GMT Standard Time),
alan@veloceraptor.free-online.co.uk (Alan) wrote:

In article <nm81q1hi5bgmsfiu5lv9tr6tackv70rfvf@4ax.com>,
greyhackles@NOSPAMyahoo.com (greyhackles) wrote:

On 14 Dec 2005 11:15:18 -0800, "Nioski" <nioskidol@yahoo.it
wrote:

My ALT (142) and AST (65) levels are very high .

I often drink alcohol, but only on weekends,
and my BodyMassIndex is 26

Should I really worry ?

Thanks in advance

How does one measure "really worry"?

Your levels are clearly high, though with acute injury they could
easily
be
many times higher than yours.

Bottom line, if you can't attribute the elevated LFTs to
something
already
diagnosed, it would be prudent to start the investigational phase
now.
Not
later...

So call it "worried enough to find out what the problem is".

Cheers - and good luck.

/greyhackles

Ash-sea is that way -----------

Unless you are looking for a reciprocal visit, that is.

yawn
scratch><scratch

Bring it on, if you must. I've seen your work, and it wouldn't be
any
worse
than the chest thumping crusader shite currently on display. In fact
I
wager
you'd provide an amusing interlude.

For someone who spends an inordinate amount of time replying to his
own
poasts
here, you surely ought to have appreciated a break from the
silence...

btw, your memory is slipping.
ash-c is actually over <----------- there, right where you left it.

Cheers, and be well.

/greyhackles

That's what the *feral* *cave* *dwellers* like to tell you, but there
are
two
factors they don't know.

1. In any newsgroup the percentage of lurkers to active posters is
rather
significant.

And of course, the living proof of that is the fact that you and Spidey
come
rushing in every time a newbie shows up, but somehow this time, I just
don't see
you convincing anybody from Italy that drinking wine is bad.

I don't come rushing in every time a newbie shows up; I'm here all the
time
and post what, where and when I please. If I happen to respond to a
newbie,
so what? You read my response to Nioski; do you disagree with it?

Spidey

If you and I are always here then it is Greynuts who is talking s**t, not
me.

Aw c'mon, Alan! He's right, it is a little boring in here with just the two
of us. I like Grey's posts; he's got a brain and a sense of humour, the same
reasons that I like your posts.

But he is wrong about you and I being here alone. We may be the only ones
posting but we are by no means here alone :-)


Quote:
But Italians have wine with their food the way you or I would have tea or
coffee. And even my doctor did not tell me that I mustn't drink. This is
just
the way of thinking of American doctors and I bet Nioski's doctor is like
mine,
and for that matter, Anja's, and PVTS's.

Now don't go believing everything your doctor tells (or not tells) you
without confirming it for yourself because not all doctors are intelligent,
competent or dilligent. I could tell you horror stories about bad advice and
bad decisions made by doctors.

There's a volume of solid, scientific evidence that drinking alcohol is
harmful to a liver with fibrosis or cirrhosis damage, which neither of us
will dispute. At what amount it becomes harmful, I don't know, but it looks
to me like our Italian newbie wants someone to reassure him that drinking is
no problem, and it looks like someone (his doctor?) may have recommended
otherwise. Si?

Spidey

Oh damn. I was kinda hoping that he would be a she. My first wife's mother, the
grandmother of my kids, was actually born in Rome. I was kinda wondering if I
could learn Italian over a few glasses of wine. Or maybe I am just being bad
again? LOL Some folks believe everything in newsgroups yaknow?

http://lordcerneabbas.blogspot.com/2005/11/american-freedom.html

Alan

"Can't you see we're still here,
Can't you see we're still here,
Singing loud; Singing clear,
We shall not go under,
We're still here."

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PostPosted: Thu Dec 15, 2005 12:56 pm    Post subject: Re: High ALT and AST Reply with quote

In article <r5i1q11mldnqn4cq5dsvl0nddumgbua1an@4ax.com>,
greyhackles@NOSPAMyahoo.com (greyhackles) wrote:

Quote:
Anyway....may we cut to the chase scene?

Sure, if you want.

http://lordcerneabbas.blogspot.com/2005/11/american-freedom.html

http://lordcerneabbas.blogspot.com/2005/11/every-competent-analyst-predicts.html

http://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/NaturalHazards/shownh.php3?img_id=13282

Is that cutting it to the chase scene enough for you?

And of course, there still remains this.

http://www.fs.fed.us/gpnf/volcanocams/msh/images/mshvolcanocam.jpg

Yaknow, I just have this feeling that hepatitis is the last of your worries.





Alan

"Can't you see we're still here,
Can't you see we're still here,
Singing loud; Singing clear,
We shall not go under,
We're still here."

Nemesis Peace Centre

http://www.veloceraptor.free-online.co.uk/protector.html

Abuse of Women and Children

http://theoriginalfirebird.blogspot.com/

Nemesis News

http://lordcerneabbas.blogspot.com/

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PostPosted: Thu Dec 15, 2005 1:35 pm    Post subject: Re: High ALT and AST Reply with quote

In article <memo.20051215103419.1044Q@veloceraptor.free-online.co.uk>,
alan@veloceraptor.free-online.co.uk (Alan) wrote:

Quote:
In article <r5i1q11mldnqn4cq5dsvl0nddumgbua1an@4ax.com>,
greyhackles@NOSPAMyahoo.com (greyhackles) wrote:

Anyway....may we cut to the chase scene?

Sure, if you want.

http://lordcerneabbas.blogspot.com/2005/11/american-freedom.html

http://lordcerneabbas.blogspot.com/2005/11/every-competent-analyst-predicts.ht
ml

http://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/NaturalHazards/shownh.php3?img_id=13282

Is that cutting it to the chase scene enough for you?

And of course, there still remains this.

http://www.fs.fed.us/gpnf/volcanocams/msh/images/mshvolcanocam.jpg

Oh yes, and guess what else? I can now throw in this for good measure:

http://earthquake.usgs.gov/recenteqsww/Quakes/uw12150126.htm

and this:

http://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/NaturalHazards/shownh.php3?img_id=13282

and this:

http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/news/stories.nsf/missouristatenews/story/0A4A82
7BA5C98DB2862570D7004F9A49?OpenDocument

and this:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/4525548.stm

Do you ever get the feeling that things could be going very much awry?


Alan

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PostPosted: Thu Dec 15, 2005 2:44 pm    Post subject: Re: High ALT and AST Reply with quote

On Thu, 15 Dec 2005 11:07 +0000 (GMT Standard Time),
alan@veloceraptor.free-online.co.uk (Alan) wrote:

[...]
Quote:

Do you ever get the feeling that things could be going very much awry?

Sure. All the time.
It is a reminder that "Life" is a tenuous proposition at best...

/greyhackles
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 15, 2005 2:50 pm    Post subject: Re: High ALT and AST Reply with quote

On Thu, 15 Dec 2005 10:16 +0000 (GMT Standard Time),
alan@veloceraptor.free-online.co.uk (Alan) wrote:

Quote:
In article <lsh1q15k1n6ivrtoer1rcm0f7o43fqamps@4ax.com>,
greyhackles@NOSPAMyahoo.com (greyhackles) wrote:

What is the sound of a group full of lurkers?

Shall I put it another way? I could name six of the lurkers, and shall we say
that I know that they know full well when I post some useful and when I am
simply winding *feral* *cave* *dwellers* up.

You misspelled "bloviating".

No doubt there are plenty of lurkers about this place, I've never debated the
point.

They are the audience for whom you perform, after all...

Quote:
Do you understand the term "non sequitur"?

Yes! It's one of those expressions that certain people like to use to make
themselves sound impressive to the average *feral* *cave* *dweller*

<zzzzzzzzzzzzz>

Weak.

Btw, if you start running out of asterisks, you can use '+' instead, with no
loss of impact...

Cheers

/greyhackles (and hth Wink
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 15, 2005 5:25 pm    Post subject: Re: High ALT and AST Reply with quote

In article <gvv2q1pdb2mgbbmf4behjfq8ae6h8acjm9@4ax.com>,
greyhackles@NOSPAMyahoo.com (greyhackles) wrote:

Quote:
On Thu, 15 Dec 2005 11:07 +0000 (GMT Standard Time),
alan@veloceraptor.free-online.co.uk (Alan) wrote:

[...]

Do you ever get the feeling that things could be going very much awry?

Sure. All the time.
It is a reminder that "Life" is a tenuous proposition at best...

/greyhackles


http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article10237.htm

A Nation of Fools

By Charles Sullivan

09/10/05 "ICH" -- -- My entire family is being played for fools by the power
brokers in Washington; and they don't even have a clue about how they are being
manipulated. I am embarrassed for them. The truth is out there; but no one is
bringing it to our door step. You have to look hard. You have to want to know
the facts. You have to care about social justice; and that requires effort; it
requires living with a troubled conscience and trying to set things right. It
requires that you inform yourself and make an effort to change things. The
trouble is that most Americans don't want to know the truth because it would
make them uncomfortable. So they turn their heads the other way and allow
themselves to be distracted from their civic and patriotic duties. It is easier
to display the flag and plaster their cars with 'Support our troops' stickers.
This mode of being requires no real effort; nor accountability.

Their government is murdering millions of innocent people all around the planet,
torturing people and toppling both democratic and progressive governments; it is
committing acts of terror against the world's working poor; it is plundering
their homelands and stealing their wealth. How can any person of conscience
remain indifferent toward these acts? How can we wave our flags and support our
troops when this is what they are doing? Is this their idea of liberation? Is
this their perception of Democracy? Is this the kind of nation we want to be?

While this is going on they are concerned only about shopping, mindless
consumption, and watching American Idol. As citizens, they have been rendered
totally useless. Fascism flourishes where citizens are inactive and uninformed.
Where there is apathy there is fascism.

When will the people learn that the interests of big business and multinational
corporations; the interest of the ruling class-are not our interests? When an
American president-it doesn't matter which one-talks about protecting American
interests, whose interest do they mean? They mean the interest of the ruling
class-the Rockefellers, Carnegies, Murdochs, the Cheneys and the Bushes. They
mean the interest of General Electric, Halliburton, Bechtel, Boeing, Wal-mart,
Northrup-Grumman; Raytheon, Exxon-Mobil; Shell Oil and Texaco. These are not my
interests. Nor are they the interests of ninety-nine percent of the populace.
And they certainly are not noble causes to fight and die for.

Most of my fellow citizens would be as angry as I am about all of this if they
knew what I know. But they don't want to know, damn them! It would threaten
their comfortable existence. It might even activate some spark of hidden
conscience that would force them into action.

It's not that we are a nation of stooges and idiots (though it certainly appears
that way at times); it is that we are a nation of the lazy and morbidly
obese-physically, mentally and spiritually. From cradle to grave we are exposed
to the brave new world of Madison Avenue, the endless stream of corporate
propaganda that dull our senses and wear us down. The assault upon our
sensibilities is constant. Our view of the world is misshapened, distorted into
the grotesque in the mirrors of the corporate media. We are a nation of addicts.
Some of our addictions include: oil, entertainment, drugs, alcohol, cigarettes,
conspicuous consumption and hubris. There is nothing wrong with being
entertained, per se. But it must be in healthy proportions to being informed. As
journalist Bill Moyers has observed, 'We are not getting the information we need
to make us free.'

As a result, the age of reason is nearing an end. We are careening back into the
abyss of ignorance and fear that characterized the Dark Ages. Evidence for this
consists in the rise of nationalism, jingoism, intolerance and religious
fundamentalism. If we don't soon wake from our zombie state, we will no longer
teach the truth of evolution in our public schools. The stage is already set in
Kansas for that sorry event to take place. Science and understanding will be
supplanted by religious dogma and zealotry. No proof, no evidence will be
necessary. We will live our lives by faith-blind faith; deaf and dumb faith.
Ecological literacy will become a forgotten dream, as the earth sinks into
irrevocable ruin in the bilge of consumption and industrial waste we created.
Heretics, as was done in the past, will be subject to persecution; burned at the
stake as blasphemers. Copernicus and Giordano Bruno will welcome the company.
Free thinking and the publication of non-religious books will be banned. White
supremacists (as they do now in the slave states) will hold the reins of power;
and a new era of industrial slavery will be ushered in. Behold the twelve hour
work day; rejoice in the seventy-two hour work week. And it will be called a
free and open society-a Christian Nation. It will be called the Greatest Nation
on Earth. It will be called 'Amerika.' Religious leaders will openly call for
the assassination of democratically elected presidents of sovereign nations. The
CIA and its henchmen will obediently carry out the orders. Ignorant,
supercilious, bumbling stooges will be our war time presidents. We will exist in
a state of perpetual war. Ours' will be a permanent war time economy, until its
collapse in a few short decades of flaming exuberance. The war machine must be
fed with our babies-those of the working class. Elections will be rigged and
their outcomes predetermined by electronic voting machines that leave no paper
trails. Ignorance will be called truth. Hate will be called love. Words will
have no meaning. The fascist police state is emerging. Take heed.

Charles Sullivan is a furniture maker, photographer and free lance writer living
in the Eastern Panhandle of West Virginia. He can be reached at:
earthdog@highstream.net. First published at www.Counterpunch.org



Alan

"Can't you see we're still here,
Can't you see we're still here,
Singing loud; Singing clear,
We shall not go under,
We're still here."

Nemesis Peace Centre

http://www.veloceraptor.free-online.co.uk/protector.html

Abuse of Women and Children

http://theoriginalfirebird.blogspot.com/

Nemesis News

http://lordcerneabbas.blogspot.com/

Absolute Anarchy

http://lordcerneabbastoo.blogspot.com/

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PostPosted: Thu Dec 15, 2005 5:25 pm    Post subject: Re: High ALT and AST Reply with quote

In article <ra03q11kir6qdfmos82h4ra2tc0eo31o4q@4ax.com>,
greyhackles@NOSPAMyahoo.com (greyhackles) wrote:

Quote:
On Thu, 15 Dec 2005 10:16 +0000 (GMT Standard Time),
alan@veloceraptor.free-online.co.uk (Alan) wrote:

In article <lsh1q15k1n6ivrtoer1rcm0f7o43fqamps@4ax.com>,
greyhackles@NOSPAMyahoo.com (greyhackles) wrote:

What is the sound of a group full of lurkers?

Shall I put it another way? I could name six of the lurkers, and shall we
say >that I know that they know full well when I post some useful and when I
am >simply winding *feral* *cave* *dwellers* up.

You misspelled "bloviating".

No doubt there are plenty of lurkers about this place, I've never debated the
point.

They are the audience for whom you perform, after all...

Do you understand the term "non sequitur"?

Yes! It's one of those expressions that certain people like to use to make
themselves sound impressive to the average *feral* *cave* *dweller*

zzzzzzzzzzzzz

Weak.

Btw, if you start running out of asterisks, you can use '+' instead, with no
loss of impact...

Cheers

/greyhackles (and hth ;-)


+Does +That +Work +then?

Thanks. There is actually only one *feral* *cave* *dweller* and he has always
been +just a +lurker.



Alan

"Can't you see we're still here,
Can't you see we're still here,
Singing loud; Singing clear,
We shall not go under,
We're still here."

Nemesis Peace Centre

http://www.veloceraptor.free-online.co.uk/protector.html

Abuse of Women and Children

http://theoriginalfirebird.blogspot.com/

Nemesis News

http://lordcerneabbas.blogspot.com/

Absolute Anarchy

http://lordcerneabbastoo.blogspot.com/

http://www.john-lennon.com/
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 15, 2005 5:25 pm    Post subject: Re: High ALT and AST Reply with quote

In article <memo.20051215150406.304B@veloceraptor.free-online.co.uk>,
alan@veloceraptor.free-online.co.uk (Alan) wrote:

Quote:
In article <ra03q11kir6qdfmos82h4ra2tc0eo31o4q@4ax.com>,
greyhackles@NOSPAMyahoo.com (greyhackles) wrote:

On Thu, 15 Dec 2005 10:16 +0000 (GMT Standard Time),
alan@veloceraptor.free-online.co.uk (Alan) wrote:

In article <lsh1q15k1n6ivrtoer1rcm0f7o43fqamps@4ax.com>,
greyhackles@NOSPAMyahoo.com (greyhackles) wrote:

What is the sound of a group full of lurkers?

Shall I put it another way? I could name six of the lurkers, and shall we
say >that I know that they know full well when I post some useful and when
I am >simply winding *feral* *cave* *dwellers* up.

You misspelled "bloviating".

No doubt there are plenty of lurkers about this place, I've never debated
the
point.

They are the audience for whom you perform, after all...

Do you understand the term "non sequitur"?

Yes! It's one of those expressions that certain people like to use to make
themselves sound impressive to the average *feral* *cave* *dweller*

zzzzzzzzzzzzz

Weak.

Btw, if you start running out of asterisks, you can use '+' instead, with no
loss of impact...

Cheers

/greyhackles (and hth ;-)


+Does +That +Work +then?

Thanks. There is actually only one *feral* *cave* *dweller* and he has always
been +just a +lurker.

+Lets+ +try+ +it+ +this+ +way+

LMAO



Alan

"Can't you see we're still here,
Can't you see we're still here,
Singing loud; Singing clear,
We shall not go under,
We're still here."

Nemesis Peace Centre

http://www.veloceraptor.free-online.co.uk/protector.html

Abuse of Women and Children

http://theoriginalfirebird.blogspot.com/

Nemesis News

http://lordcerneabbas.blogspot.com/

Absolute Anarchy

http://lordcerneabbastoo.blogspot.com/

http://www.john-lennon.com/
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medicine forum Guru


Joined: 09 Sep 2005
Posts: 1055

PostPosted: Thu Dec 15, 2005 5:45 pm    Post subject: Re: High ALT and AST Reply with quote

In article <memo.20051215150609.304C@veloceraptor.free-online.co.uk>,
alan@veloceraptor.free-online.co.uk (Alan) wrote:

Quote:
In article <memo.20051215150406.304B@veloceraptor.free-online.co.uk>,
alan@veloceraptor.free-online.co.uk (Alan) wrote:

In article <ra03q11kir6qdfmos82h4ra2tc0eo31o4q@4ax.com>,
greyhackles@NOSPAMyahoo.com (greyhackles) wrote:

On Thu, 15 Dec 2005 10:16 +0000 (GMT Standard Time),
alan@veloceraptor.free-online.co.uk (Alan) wrote:

In article <lsh1q15k1n6ivrtoer1rcm0f7o43fqamps@4ax.com>,
greyhackles@NOSPAMyahoo.com (greyhackles) wrote:

What is the sound of a group full of lurkers?

Shall I put it another way? I could name six of the lurkers, and shall
we say >that I know that they know full well when I post some useful and
when I am >simply winding *feral* *cave* *dwellers* up.

You misspelled "bloviating".

No doubt there are plenty of lurkers about this place, I've never debated
the
point.

They are the audience for whom you perform, after all...

Do you understand the term "non sequitur"?

Yes! It's one of those expressions that certain people like to use to
make >themselves sound impressive to the average *feral* *cave* *dweller*

zzzzzzzzzzzzz

Weak.

Btw, if you start running out of asterisks, you can use '+' instead, with
no
loss of impact...

Cheers

/greyhackles (and hth ;-)


+Does +That +Work +then?

Thanks. There is actually only one *feral* *cave* *dweller* and he has
always been +just a +lurker.

+Lets+ +try+ +it+ +this+ +way+

LMAO

It doesn't work for me with "+"s

Ash-sea is that way ---------> you purveyor of *false* *information*

This is a *neat* and *tidy* newsgroup.

No *false* *information* allowed.



Lord Cerne Abbas

Humpty Dumpty Bush fell off the Iraq wall.
Humpty Dumpty Bush had a big fall.
All his spin doctors and all the President's men
couldn't put Humpty Dumpty Bush together again.

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