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Waterspider
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 14, 2005 8:50 pm    Post subject: Re: High ALT and AST Reply with quote

"Nioski" <nioskidol@yahoo.it> wrote...

Quote:
My ALT (142) and AST (65) levels are very high .

I often drink alcohol, but only on weekends,

"Often... but only."
Sheesh, make up my mind!

Quote:
Should I really worry ?

Should you *really* worry as opposed to just worry normally?
Gee, I dunno.
Do you have hepatitis?
Do you have liver damage?
Has a doctor advised you to stop or slow down your drinking?
Or are you just looking for someone to say, "Yeah, party hardy, drink all
the alcohol you want cuz it's good for you?" when you *know* that drinking
causes liver damage and *that's* why your ALTs and ASTs are elevated?

Waterspider
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 14, 2005 9:08 pm    Post subject: Re: High ALT and AST Reply with quote

"Alan" <alan@veloceraptor.free-online.co.uk> wrote uk...
Quote:
nioskidol@yahoo.it (Nioski) wrote:

My ALT (142) and AST (65) levels are very high .
I often drink alcohol, but only on weekends,
and my BodyMassIndex is 26
Should I really worry ?
Thanks in advance

Would you like to discuss this over a drink?

Every once in a while, you succeed at being more succint than me ;)

WS
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 14, 2005 9:46 pm    Post subject: Re: High ALT and AST Reply with quote

"Alan" <alan@veloceraptor.free-online.co.uk> wrote in message
news:memo.20051214213255.352C@veloceraptor.free-online.co.uk...

Quote:
Hey Spidey, how about if we have a succinct contest? Your place or mine?
Smile

Yes.
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 14, 2005 10:59 pm    Post subject: Re: High ALT and AST Reply with quote

On 14 Dec 2005 11:15:18 -0800, "Nioski" <nioskidol@yahoo.it> wrote:

Quote:
My ALT (142) and AST (65) levels are very high .

I often drink alcohol, but only on weekends,
and my BodyMassIndex is 26

Should I really worry ?

Thanks in advance

How does one measure "really worry"?

Your levels are clearly high, though with acute injury they could easily be
many times higher than yours.

Bottom line, if you can't attribute the elevated LFTs to something already
diagnosed, it would be prudent to start the investigational phase now. Not
later...

So call it "worried enough to find out what the problem is".

Cheers - and good luck.

/greyhackles
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 14, 2005 11:33 pm    Post subject: Re: High ALT and AST Reply with quote

On Wed, 14 Dec 2005 23:16 +0000 (GMT Standard Time),
alan@veloceraptor.free-online.co.uk (Alan) wrote:

Quote:
In article <nm81q1hi5bgmsfiu5lv9tr6tackv70rfvf@4ax.com>,
greyhackles@NOSPAMyahoo.com (greyhackles) wrote:

On 14 Dec 2005 11:15:18 -0800, "Nioski" <nioskidol@yahoo.it> wrote:

My ALT (142) and AST (65) levels are very high .

I often drink alcohol, but only on weekends,
and my BodyMassIndex is 26

Should I really worry ?

Thanks in advance

How does one measure "really worry"?

Your levels are clearly high, though with acute injury they could easily be
many times higher than yours.

Bottom line, if you can't attribute the elevated LFTs to something already
diagnosed, it would be prudent to start the investigational phase now. Not
later...

So call it "worried enough to find out what the problem is".

Cheers - and good luck.

/greyhackles

Ash-sea is that way -----------

Unless you are looking for a reciprocal visit, that is.

<yawn>
<scratch><scratch>

Bring it on, if you must. I've seen your work, and it wouldn't be any worse
than the chest thumping crusader shite currently on display. In fact I wager
you'd provide an amusing interlude.

For someone who spends an inordinate amount of time replying to his own poasts
here, you surely ought to have appreciated a break from the silence...

btw, your memory is slipping.
ash-c is actually over <----------- there, right where you left it.

Cheers, and be well.

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PostPosted: Wed Dec 14, 2005 11:39 pm    Post subject: Re: High ALT and AST Reply with quote

In article <1134587718.128814.138760@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>,
nioskidol@yahoo.it (Nioski) wrote:

Quote:
My ALT (142) and AST (65) levels are very high .

I often drink alcohol, but only on weekends,
and my BodyMassIndex is 26

Should I really worry ?

Thanks in advance

Would you like to discuss this over a drink?


Alan

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Can't you see we're still here,
Singing loud; Singing clear,
We shall not go under,
We're still here."

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PostPosted: Wed Dec 14, 2005 11:39 pm    Post subject: Re: High ALT and AST Reply with quote

In article <11q11c2i9i2j376@corp.supernews.com>, waterspider@moonlight.net
(Waterspider) wrote:

Quote:

"Nioski" <nioskidol@yahoo.it> wrote...

My ALT (142) and AST (65) levels are very high .

I often drink alcohol, but only on weekends,

"Often... but only."
Sheesh, make up my mind!

Should I really worry ?

Should you *really* worry as opposed to just worry normally?
Gee, I dunno.
Do you have hepatitis?
Do you have liver damage?
Has a doctor advised you to stop or slow down your drinking?
Or are you just looking for someone to say, "Yeah, party hardy, drink all
the alcohol you want cuz it's good for you?" when you *know* that drinking
causes liver damage and *that's* why your ALTs and ASTs are elevated?

Waterspider

Dear Spidey, when will you learn that life is just a sexually-transmitted
terminal condition?



Alan

"Can't you see we're still here,
Can't you see we're still here,
Singing loud; Singing clear,
We shall not go under,
We're still here."

Nemesis Peace Centre

http://www.veloceraptor.free-online.co.uk/protector.html

Abuse of Women and Children

http://theoriginalfirebird.blogspot.com/

Nemesis News

http://lordcerneabbas.blogspot.com/

Absolute Anarchy

http://lordcerneabbastoo.blogspot.com/

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PostPosted: Wed Dec 14, 2005 11:53 pm    Post subject: Re: High ALT and AST Reply with quote

"Alan" <alan@veloceraptor.free-online.co.uk> wrote in message
news:memo.20051214223438.352G@veloceraptor.free-online.co.uk...
Quote:
In article <11q14m0m4pk9efc@corp.supernews.com>, waterspider@moonlight.net
(Waterspider) wrote:


"Alan" <alan@veloceraptor.free-online.co.uk> wrote in message
news:memo.20051214213255.352C@veloceraptor.free-online.co.uk...

Hey Spidey, how about if we have a succinct contest? Your place or
mine?
:-)

Yes.

Hey, are you trying to lead me into temptation? Smile

Nope, just won the succinctness contest.
<grin>

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PostPosted: Wed Dec 14, 2005 11:56 pm    Post subject: Re: High ALT and AST Reply with quote

In article <11q12f9iluh4g6a@corp.supernews.com>, waterspider@moonlight.net
(Waterspider) wrote:

Quote:

"Alan" <alan@veloceraptor.free-online.co.uk> wrote uk...
nioskidol@yahoo.it (Nioski) wrote:

My ALT (142) and AST (65) levels are very high .
I often drink alcohol, but only on weekends,
and my BodyMassIndex is 26
Should I really worry ?
Thanks in advance

Would you like to discuss this over a drink?

Every once in a while, you succeed at being more succint than me ;)

WS

Hey Spidey, how about if we have a succinct contest? Your place or mine? :-)



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PostPosted: Thu Dec 15, 2005 12:31 am    Post subject: Re: High ALT and AST Reply with quote

"Alan" <alan@veloceraptor.free-online.co.uk> wrote in message
news:memo.20051214235349.792A@veloceraptor.free-online.co.uk...
Quote:
In article <memo.20051214234259.352C@veloceraptor.free-online.co.uk>,
alan@veloceraptor.free-online.co.uk (Alan) wrote:

In article <99a1q1hvm9a8b58fhg3pl2e94dvk0s4jdk@4ax.com>,
greyhackles@NOSPAMyahoo.com (greyhackles) wrote:

On Wed, 14 Dec 2005 23:16 +0000 (GMT Standard Time),
alan@veloceraptor.free-online.co.uk (Alan) wrote:

In article <nm81q1hi5bgmsfiu5lv9tr6tackv70rfvf@4ax.com>,
greyhackles@NOSPAMyahoo.com (greyhackles) wrote:

On 14 Dec 2005 11:15:18 -0800, "Nioski" <nioskidol@yahoo.it> wrote:

My ALT (142) and AST (65) levels are very high .

I often drink alcohol, but only on weekends,
and my BodyMassIndex is 26

Should I really worry ?

Thanks in advance

How does one measure "really worry"?

Your levels are clearly high, though with acute injury they could
easily
be
many times higher than yours.

Bottom line, if you can't attribute the elevated LFTs to something
already
diagnosed, it would be prudent to start the investigational phase
now.
Not
later...

So call it "worried enough to find out what the problem is".

Cheers - and good luck.

/greyhackles

Ash-sea is that way -----------

Unless you are looking for a reciprocal visit, that is.

yawn
scratch><scratch

Bring it on, if you must. I've seen your work, and it wouldn't be any
worse
than the chest thumping crusader shite currently on display. In fact I
wager
you'd provide an amusing interlude.

For someone who spends an inordinate amount of time replying to his own
poasts
here, you surely ought to have appreciated a break from the silence...

btw, your memory is slipping.
ash-c is actually over <----------- there, right where you left it.

Cheers, and be well.

/greyhackles

That's what the *feral* *cave* *dwellers* like to tell you, but there are
two
factors they don't know.

1. In any newsgroup the percentage of lurkers to active posters is rather
significant.

And of course, the living proof of that is the fact that you and Spidey
come
rushing in every time a newbie shows up, but somehow this time, I just
don't see
you convincing anybody from Italy that drinking wine is bad.

I don't come rushing in every time a newbie shows up; I'm here all the time
and post what, where and when I please. If I happen to respond to a newbie,
so what? You read my response to Nioski; do you disagree with it?

Spidey
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 15, 2005 12:56 am    Post subject: Re: High ALT and AST Reply with quote

In article <11q14m0m4pk9efc@corp.supernews.com>, waterspider@moonlight.net
(Waterspider) wrote:

Quote:

"Alan" <alan@veloceraptor.free-online.co.uk> wrote in message
news:memo.20051214213255.352C@veloceraptor.free-online.co.uk...

Hey Spidey, how about if we have a succinct contest? Your place or mine?
:-)

Yes.

Hey, are you trying to lead me into temptation? :-)

I just found this link:

http://www.ecofuture.org/pk/pkar9504.html

n 1992 the novel Ishmael was awarded the Turner Tomorrow Fellowship -- an award
for authors whose fiction helps produce solutions to global problems. Ishmael
tells the story of a man who sees an advertisement in the Personals section of
his local newspaper:

TEACHER seeks pupil. Must have an earnest desire
to save the world. Apply in person.

The man is furious, assuming some fraud placed the ad to prey on idealistic
young dreamers. He goes to the interview, driven to prove the "teacher" is
really a charlatan. At the interview, the man finds himself alone in an
abandoned office with a full grown gorilla who nibbles delicately on a slender
branch. "You are the teacher?" he asks incredulously.

"I am the teacher," the gorilla replies telepathically. The gorilla, Ishmael,
proves to be a genuine teacher of immense wisdom.

What follows is a journey from the birth of life, through human pre-history,
history, and on to a possible future path in which humankind begins living in
harmony with a rarely recognized law of nature. The novel transcends mechanical
ecology, offering a vision of life-affirming meaning and deep spirituality.
Ishmael tells the history of the world in a way that never appeared in any
school textbook.

"Is it man's destiny to rule the world? Or is a higher destiny possible for him
-- one more wonderful than man has ever imagined for himself?"

Howie Richey has distilled the major themes of Ishmael into a concept summary.

Following are a few sample quotes:

Chapter 1-6:

... Ishmael thought for a moment, "Among the people of your culture, which
want to destroy the world?"

"Which want to destroy it? As far as I know, no one specifically wants to
destroy the world."

"And yet you do destroy it, each of you. Each of you contributes daily to
the destruction of the world."

"Yes, that's so."

"Why don't you stop?"

I shrugged, "Frankly, we don't know how."

"You're captives of a civilizational system that more or less compels you to
go on destroying the world in order to live."

"Yes, that's the way it seems."

Chapter 2-1:

... "I'm telling you this because the people of your culture are in much the
same situation. Like the people of Nazi Germany, they are the captives of a
story."

I sat there blinking for a while. "I know of no such story," I told him at
last.

"You mean you've never heard of it?"

"That's right."

Ishmael nodded. "That's because there's no need to hear of it. There's no
need to name it or discuss it. Every one of you knows it by heart by the time
you're six or seven. ...And you hear it incessantly, because every medium of
propaganda, every medium of education pours it out incessantly. ...It's like the
humming of a distant motor that never stops, it becomes a sound that's no longer
heard at all."

"This is very interesting," I told him. "But it's also a little hard to
believe."

Ishmael's eyes closed gently in an indulgent smile. "Belief is not required.
Once you know this story, you'll hear it everywhere in your culture, and you'll
be astonished that the people around you don't hear it as well but merely take
it in."

Chapter 2-1:

... "First, some vocabulary. Let's have some names so we don't have to go on
talking about 'the people of your culture' and 'the people of all other
cultures.' I've used various names with various pupils, but I'm going to try a
new pair with you. You're familiar with the expression 'Take it or leave it.'
Using them in this sense, do the words takers and leavers have any heavy
connotation for you?"

"I'm not sure what you mean."

"I mean, if I call one group Takers and the other group Leavers, will this
sound like I'm setting up one to be good guys and the other to be bad guys?"

"No. They sound pretty neutral to me."

"Good. So henceforth I'm going to call the people of your culture Takers and
the people of all other cultures Leavers."

I hmmm'ed a bit. "I have a problem with that."

"...I mean that the people of London and Paris and Baghdad and Seoul and
Detroit and Buenos Aires and Toronto all know that -- whatever else separates
them -- they are united in being civilized and distinct from Stone Age peoples
scattered all over the world. ...Would you be more comfortable if we used these
terms, civilized and primitive?"

"Yes, I suppose I would be, but only because I'm used to them. Takers and
Leavers is fine with me."

Chapter 2-6:

"If Mother Culture were to give an account of human history using these
terms, it would go something like this: ' The Leavers were chapter one of human
history -- a long and uneventful chapter. Their chapter of human history ended
about ten thousand years ago with the birth of agriculture in the Near East.
This event marked the beginning of chapter two, the chapter of the Takers. It's
true there are still Leavers living in the world, but these are anachronisms,
fossils -- people living in the past, people who just don't realize that their
chapter of human history is over. ' "

"Right."

"This is the general shape of human history as it's perceived in your
culture."

"I would say so."

"As you'll come to see, what I'm saying is quite different from this. The
Leavers are not chapter one of a story in which the Takers are chapter two."

"Say that again?"

"I'll say it differently. The Leavers and the Takers are enacting two
separate stories, based on entirely different and contradictory premises. This
is something we'll be looking at later, so you don't have to understand it right
this second."

Chapter 6-2:

... "Are you exempt from the laws of aerodynamics?"

"No."

"Genetics?"

"No."

"Thermodynamics?"

"No."

"Can you think of any laws at all from which humans are exempt?"

"Not offhand."

"Let me know if you do. That will be real news."

"Okay."

"But meanwhile, if there does happen to be a law that governs behavior in
the community of life in general [would humans be exempt from it?]"

"Well, that's what Mother Culture says."

"And what do you say?"

"I don't know. I don't see how a law for turtles or butterflies could be of
much relevance to us. I assume that turtles and butterflies follow the law
you're talking about."

"That's right, they do. As to relevance, the laws of aerodynamics weren't
always relevant to you, were they?"

"No."

"When did they become relevant?"

"Well ... when we wanted to fly."

"When you want to fly, the laws governing flight become relevant."

"Yes, that's right."

"And when you're on the brink of extinction and want to live for a while
longer, the laws governing life might conceivably become relevant."

"Yes, I suppose they might."

Chapter 6-3:

... "It's hard to believe our own biologists aren't aware of this law."

"... You have to remember that when Newton articulated the law of gravity,
no one was astounded. It's not a superhuman achievement to notice that
unsupported objects fall toward the center of the earth. Everyone past the age
of two knows that. Newton's achievement was not in discovering the phenomenon of
gravity, it was in formulating the phenomenon as a law."

"Yes, I see what you mean."

"In the same way, nothing you discover here about life in the community of
life is going to astound anyone, certainly not naturalists or biologists or
animal behaviorists. My achievement, if I succeed, will simply be in formulating
it as a law."


Hey Spidey, do you think that I could study geology and not learn these things?
We live on this planet and the planet could just shuffle us off and inside 100
years there would be no traces left and the country that has been hit so bad by
the three biggest hurricanes of all time still does not see? They think their
money and power is going to save them but when it comes down to what is coming
they just haven't got a hope in hell.


Alan

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http://veloceraptor.blogspot.com/
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 15, 2005 1:19 am    Post subject: Re: High ALT and AST Reply with quote

"Alan" <alan@veloceraptor.free-online.co.uk> wrote in message
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Quote:
In article <11q1el517svaf5c@corp.supernews.com>, waterspider@moonlight.net
(Waterspider) wrote:


"Alan" <alan@veloceraptor.free-online.co.uk> wrote in message
news:memo.20051214235349.792A@veloceraptor.free-online.co.uk...
In article <memo.20051214234259.352C@veloceraptor.free-online.co.uk>,
alan@veloceraptor.free-online.co.uk (Alan) wrote:

In article <99a1q1hvm9a8b58fhg3pl2e94dvk0s4jdk@4ax.com>,
greyhackles@NOSPAMyahoo.com (greyhackles) wrote:

On Wed, 14 Dec 2005 23:16 +0000 (GMT Standard Time),
alan@veloceraptor.free-online.co.uk (Alan) wrote:

In article <nm81q1hi5bgmsfiu5lv9tr6tackv70rfvf@4ax.com>,
greyhackles@NOSPAMyahoo.com (greyhackles) wrote:

On 14 Dec 2005 11:15:18 -0800, "Nioski" <nioskidol@yahoo.it
wrote:

My ALT (142) and AST (65) levels are very high .

I often drink alcohol, but only on weekends,
and my BodyMassIndex is 26

Should I really worry ?

Thanks in advance

How does one measure "really worry"?

Your levels are clearly high, though with acute injury they could
easily
be
many times higher than yours.

Bottom line, if you can't attribute the elevated LFTs to
something
already
diagnosed, it would be prudent to start the investigational phase
now.
Not
later...

So call it "worried enough to find out what the problem is".

Cheers - and good luck.

/greyhackles

Ash-sea is that way -----------

Unless you are looking for a reciprocal visit, that is.

yawn
scratch><scratch

Bring it on, if you must. I've seen your work, and it wouldn't be
any
worse
than the chest thumping crusader shite currently on display. In fact
I
wager
you'd provide an amusing interlude.

For someone who spends an inordinate amount of time replying to his
own
poasts
here, you surely ought to have appreciated a break from the
silence...

btw, your memory is slipping.
ash-c is actually over <----------- there, right where you left it.

Cheers, and be well.

/greyhackles

That's what the *feral* *cave* *dwellers* like to tell you, but there
are
two
factors they don't know.

1. In any newsgroup the percentage of lurkers to active posters is
rather
significant.

And of course, the living proof of that is the fact that you and Spidey
come
rushing in every time a newbie shows up, but somehow this time, I just
don't see
you convincing anybody from Italy that drinking wine is bad.

I don't come rushing in every time a newbie shows up; I'm here all the
time
and post what, where and when I please. If I happen to respond to a
newbie,
so what? You read my response to Nioski; do you disagree with it?

Spidey

If you and I are always here then it is Greynuts who is talking s**t, not
me.

Aw c'mon, Alan! He's right, it is a little boring in here with just the two
of us. I like Grey's posts; he's got a brain and a sense of humour, the same
reasons that I like your posts.
Quote:

But Italians have wine with their food the way you or I would have tea or
coffee. And even my doctor did not tell me that I mustn't drink. This is
just
the way of thinking of American doctors and I bet Nioski's doctor is like
mine,
and for that matter, Anja's, and PVTS's.

Now don't go believing everything your doctor tells (or not tells) you
without confirming it for yourself because not all doctors are intelligent,
competent or dilligent. I could tell you horror stories about bad advice and
bad decisions made by doctors.

There's a volume of solid, scientific evidence that drinking alcohol is
harmful to a liver with fibrosis or cirrhosis damage, which neither of us
will dispute. At what amount it becomes harmful, I don't know, but it looks
to me like our Italian newbie wants someone to reassure him that drinking is
no problem, and it looks like someone (his doctor?) may have recommended
otherwise. Si?

Spidey
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 15, 2005 1:36 am    Post subject: Re: High ALT and AST Reply with quote

On Wed, 14 Dec 2005 23:42 +0000 (GMT Standard Time),
alan@veloceraptor.free-online.co.uk (Alan) wrote:

Quote:
In article <99a1q1hvm9a8b58fhg3pl2e94dvk0s4jdk@4ax.com>,
greyhackles@NOSPAMyahoo.com (greyhackles) wrote:

On Wed, 14 Dec 2005 23:16 +0000 (GMT Standard Time),
alan@veloceraptor.free-online.co.uk (Alan) wrote:

In article <nm81q1hi5bgmsfiu5lv9tr6tackv70rfvf@4ax.com>,
greyhackles@NOSPAMyahoo.com (greyhackles) wrote:

On 14 Dec 2005 11:15:18 -0800, "Nioski" <nioskidol@yahoo.it> wrote:

My ALT (142) and AST (65) levels are very high .

I often drink alcohol, but only on weekends,
and my BodyMassIndex is 26

Should I really worry ?

Thanks in advance

How does one measure "really worry"?

Your levels are clearly high, though with acute injury they could easily be
many times higher than yours.

Bottom line, if you can't attribute the elevated LFTs to something already
diagnosed, it would be prudent to start the investigational phase now. Not
later...

So call it "worried enough to find out what the problem is".

Cheers - and good luck.

/greyhackles

Ash-sea is that way -----------

Unless you are looking for a reciprocal visit, that is.

yawn
scratch><scratch

Bring it on, if you must. I've seen your work, and it wouldn't be any worse
than the chest thumping crusader shite currently on display. In fact I wager
you'd provide an amusing interlude.

For someone who spends an inordinate amount of time replying to his own poasts
here, you surely ought to have appreciated a break from the silence...

btw, your memory is slipping.
ash-c is actually over <----------- there, right where you left it.

Cheers, and be well.

/greyhackles

That's what the *feral* *cave* *dwellers* like to tell you, but there are two
factors they don't know.

1. In any newsgroup the percentage of lurkers to active posters is rather
significant.

And?

What is the sound of a group full of lurkers?

Quote:
2. Everything posted to this newsgroup gets archived for ever in certain
European medical forums. Hey, Google is your friend. Check it out for yourself.

Do you understand the term "non sequitur"?

Cheers

/greyhackles
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 15, 2005 1:47 am    Post subject: Re: High ALT and AST Reply with quote

In article <nm81q1hi5bgmsfiu5lv9tr6tackv70rfvf@4ax.com>,
greyhackles@NOSPAMyahoo.com (greyhackles) wrote:

Quote:
On 14 Dec 2005 11:15:18 -0800, "Nioski" <nioskidol@yahoo.it> wrote:

My ALT (142) and AST (65) levels are very high .

I often drink alcohol, but only on weekends,
and my BodyMassIndex is 26

Should I really worry ?

Thanks in advance

How does one measure "really worry"?

Your levels are clearly high, though with acute injury they could easily be
many times higher than yours.

Bottom line, if you can't attribute the elevated LFTs to something already
diagnosed, it would be prudent to start the investigational phase now. Not
later...

So call it "worried enough to find out what the problem is".

Cheers - and good luck.

/greyhackles

Ash-sea is that way ----------->

Unless you are looking for a reciprocal visit, that is.


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Humpty Dumpty Bush fell off the Iraq wall.
Humpty Dumpty Bush had a big fall.
All his spin doctors and all the President's men
couldn't put Humpty Dumpty Bush together again.

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greyhackles
medicine forum beginner


Joined: 09 May 2005
Posts: 46

PostPosted: Thu Dec 15, 2005 1:51 am    Post subject: Re: High ALT and AST Reply with quote

On Wed, 14 Dec 2005 23:53 +0000 (GMT Standard Time),
alan@veloceraptor.free-online.co.uk (Alan) wrote:

Quote:
In article <memo.20051214234259.352C@veloceraptor.free-online.co.uk>,
alan@veloceraptor.free-online.co.uk (Alan) wrote:

In article <99a1q1hvm9a8b58fhg3pl2e94dvk0s4jdk@4ax.com>,
greyhackles@NOSPAMyahoo.com (greyhackles) wrote:

On Wed, 14 Dec 2005 23:16 +0000 (GMT Standard Time),
alan@veloceraptor.free-online.co.uk (Alan) wrote:

In article <nm81q1hi5bgmsfiu5lv9tr6tackv70rfvf@4ax.com>,
greyhackles@NOSPAMyahoo.com (greyhackles) wrote:

On 14 Dec 2005 11:15:18 -0800, "Nioski" <nioskidol@yahoo.it> wrote:

My ALT (142) and AST (65) levels are very high .

I often drink alcohol, but only on weekends,
and my BodyMassIndex is 26

Should I really worry ?

Thanks in advance

How does one measure "really worry"?

Your levels are clearly high, though with acute injury they could easily
be
many times higher than yours.

Bottom line, if you can't attribute the elevated LFTs to something
already
diagnosed, it would be prudent to start the investigational phase now.
Not
later...

So call it "worried enough to find out what the problem is".

Cheers - and good luck.

/greyhackles

Ash-sea is that way -----------

Unless you are looking for a reciprocal visit, that is.

yawn
scratch><scratch

Bring it on, if you must. I've seen your work, and it wouldn't be any worse
than the chest thumping crusader shite currently on display. In fact I wager
you'd provide an amusing interlude.

For someone who spends an inordinate amount of time replying to his own
poasts
here, you surely ought to have appreciated a break from the silence...

btw, your memory is slipping.
ash-c is actually over <----------- there, right where you left it.

Cheers, and be well.

/greyhackles

That's what the *feral* *cave* *dwellers* like to tell you, but there are two
factors they don't know.

1. In any newsgroup the percentage of lurkers to active posters is rather
significant.

And of course, the living proof of that is the fact that you and Spidey come
rushing in every time a newbie shows up, but somehow this time, I just don't see
you convincing anybody from Italy that drinking wine is bad.

"Come rushing in"? Is that what you call responding to posted requests for
opinions?

Of course, being at least minimally sentient, you noted I made no attempt to
be critical, nor did I even mention the theory that his apparent condition had
or has anything to do with alcohol in any form.

Anyway....may we cut to the chase scene?

Clearly, anyone that actually is willing to dialog with newbies (or perhaps
*anyone*) here is a threat to your sense of control.

Well, that's tough nuggies, son. I got my Anti-Fucktard inoculation on board,
so I have no reason to slink off.

Life is full of disappointments. Deal with it.

Quote:
*snigger*

*shonkey*

/greyhackles
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