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PostPosted: Sun Oct 30, 2005 3:10 am    Post subject: Diet / bloodletting / iron chelators / insulin Reply with quote

So I wonder if .. NOW .. a 'low iron diet' .. is .. suggested .. ?

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insulin resistance significantly decreased after diet, and a further
reduction was observed after phlebotomies. Iron depletion by
desferrioxamine increased by twofold the (125)I-insulin-specific
binding, whereas iron addition reduced insulin binding
<<snip>>


Aliment Pharmacol Ther. 2005 Nov;22 Suppl 2:61-3. Links


Iron and insulin resistance.


Fargion S, Dongiovanni P, Guzzo A, Colombo S, Valenti L, Fracanzani AL.



Dipartimento Medicina Interna, Ospedale Maggiore IRCCS, Universita di
Milano, Milano, Italy.


Background : Preliminary clinical and experimental results suggest that

iron can modify hepatocytes' insulin sensitivity by interfering with
insulin receptor and intracellular insulin signalling. Aim : To
evaluate in vivo the influence of iron on insulin resistance and
insulin release in patients with non-alcoholic fatty liver disease and
in vitro the interaction between iron and insulin sensitivity by
analysing the effect of iron manipulation on insulin receptor
expression in hepatoblastoma HepG2 cell line. Results : Insulin
resistance evaluated by homeostatis model assessment (HOMA)-insulin
resistance significantly decreased after diet, and a further reduction
was observed after phlebotomies. Iron depletion by desferrioxamine
increased by twofold the (125)I-insulin-specific binding, whereas iron
addition reduced insulin binding, similarly to cells exposed to high
glucose concentration. Conclusion : Iron status affects insulin
sensitivity by modulating the transcription and membrane
expression/affinity of insulin receptor expression in hepatocytes and
influencing insulin-dependent gene expression suggesting that increased

insulin clearance and decreased insulin resistance may contribute to
the positive effect of iron depletion in patients with non-alcoholic
fatty liver disease.


PMID: 16225476 [PubMed - in process]


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PostPosted: Sun Oct 30, 2005 11:40 pm    Post subject: Re: Diet / bloodletting / iron chelators / insulin Reply with quote

"So I wonder if .. NOW .. a 'low iron diet' .. is .. suggested .. ?"

Looks like it could be for these folk:

"patients with non-alcoholic fatty liver disease."

But it says nothing about having that specific disorder and doesn't
support the iron causes all disease because people eat meat idea.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 31, 2005 3:44 am    Post subject: Re: Diet / bloodletting / iron chelators / insulin Reply with quote

Quote:

"So I wonder if .. NOW .. a 'low iron diet' .. is .. suggested .. ?"



Looks like it could be for these folk:


"patients with non-alcoholic fatty liver disease."
Quote:


So that would be .. for .. millions .. ?
According to this study .. yes .. millions ..

Jeez ..
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millions of people
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Nonalcoholic fatty liver disease and the metabolic syndrome.


Curr Opin Lipidol. 2005 Aug; 16(4): 421-427
Marchesini G, Marzocchi R, Agostini F, Bugianesi E


PURPOSE OF REVIEW: Clinical, epidemiological and biochemical data
strongly
support the concept that nonalcoholic fatty liver disease is the
hepatic
manifestation of the metabolic syndrome. Insulin resistance is the
common
factor connecting obesity, diabetes, hypertension and dyslipidemia with

fatty liver and the progression of hepatic disease to steatohepatitis,
fibrosis, cirrhosis and hepatocellular carcinoma. RECENT FINDINGS: The
association of nonalcoholic fatty liver disease with the features of
the
metabolic syndrome has been confirmed in several epidemiological
studies.
The diagnostic and clinical significance of raised liver enzymes has
been
questioned; advanced hepatic disease may also be present in individuals

with
ultrasonographically detected steatosis and normal aminotransferase
levels.
The role of adipokines (leptin, adiponectin) and cytokines (tumor
necrosis
factor-alpha, interleukin-6, transforming growth factor-beta) in
disease
progression is probably pivotal, mediated by oxidative stress. The
importance of iron accumulation in this process has not been confirmed.

Treatments aimed at weight loss remain a primary option; among
pharmacological interventions, insulin sensitizers (glitazones and
metformin) have confirmed beneficial effects on both biochemical and
histological data, but new treatments are on the horizon. SUMMARY:
Nonalcoholic fatty liver disease prevalence in Western countries is
high and
there is a trend towards a further increase, with millions of people at

risk
of advanced liver disease. The epidemiological evidence, the lifestyle
origin of the disease and the cost of pharmacotherapy make prevention a

primary goal, and will contribute to making behavior therapy the
background
treatment. We need specific programs and carefully controlled,
randomized
studies to tackle simultaneously all the components of the metabolic
syndrome.


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PostPosted: Mon Oct 31, 2005 4:23 am    Post subject: Re: Diet / bloodletting / iron chelators / insulin Reply with quote

Let me be more .. precise ..

B-I-L-L-I-O-N-S .. of .. people ..

http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0FDN/is_4_7/ai_91155401

NAFLD is known to affect 10-39 percent of the general global population
with an average incidence of 20 percent. (5,6) It is the most common
cause of increased liver enzyme levels in adults in the United States.
(7) NAFLD occurs commonly in diabetics and the obese: 50 percent of
diabetics (ranging between 21 and 78 percent), 57-74 percent of obese
persons, (5) and 90 percent of morbidly obese persons (over 200 percent
of ideal body weight) (Cool are affected.

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PostPosted: Mon Oct 31, 2005 4:03 pm    Post subject: Re: Diet / bloodletting / iron chelators / insulin Reply with quote

Bringing the focus back to the underlying question, does iron cause fatty
liver disease or is its level an effect of it? It doesn't help the
ironcauses all disease because people eat meat idea. Many millions of
people in countries where few or no animal products are eaten have the
highest levels of diabetes and one presumes higher risk for this disorder.

This is yet
another nail in the coffin where only one counter example is required to
toss an idea.
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