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GaryG
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 24, 2005 6:11 pm    Post subject: Re: Coffee and Heart Problems Reply with quote

"Franz" <suse9.2@videotron.ca> wrote in message
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Quote:
Could anyone be so kind as to give me an idea as to how much coffee is TOO
much coffee for a 45 year old male who had a heart attack a year ago. What
are the possible effects on a cardiac patient with regards to cafine
consumption?


Thanks in Advance


You'd rather take the advice of unqualified, anonymous internet posters than
your cardiologist?

BTW, were you aware that the word "gullible" is actually not in the
dictionary?

GG
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 24, 2005 6:11 pm    Post subject: Re: HEART PATIENT DIES DURING HINN'S CHRISTIAN HEALING Reply with quote

Anonymous wrote:

Quote:
once again, Jai has posted to irrelevant groups and has omitted the more
relevant group.
Hence cross posting

Mebbe' but a little revelation of the works of money grabbing televangelists
never did anybody any harm.



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"Dr. Jai Maharaj" <usenet@mantra.com> wrote in message
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[ Subject: Re: Heart patient dies during Benny Hinn's healing
[ From: "Bhalchandrarao C. Patvardhan" <kurundwad@eth.net
[ Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2005

Obviously, Jesus does NOT heal........! Iodine is better!
- BCP

End of forwarded message from "Bhalchandrarao C. Patvardhan"
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HEART PATIENT DIES DURING HINN'S CHRISTIAN HEALING

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[ Subject: Heart patient dies during Benny Hinn's healing
[ From: "G.Subramaniam" <gsubrec@comcast.net
[ Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2005

Deccan Herald

When the 'miracle' failed to save a life

For a 52-year-old man, the Benny Hinn event was not a
fortunate one. He reportedly died of cardiac arrest at
the venue on Saturday evening, reports DHNS, Bangalore.

According to police, the wheelchair-bound man, a heart
patient, had come to get healed along with scores of
people. The victim suffered an attack and died even as
the evangelist commenced the healing service, a police
officer said. However, the organisers were evasive about
the incident.

They said, "He was administered first-aid and then taken
in an ambulance to a nearby hospital for treatment. We
know nothing more". But the police confirmed seeing the
man die of cardiac arrest.

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montygram
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 24, 2005 6:11 pm    Post subject: Re: Coffee Consumption and the Link to Cardiovascular Disease Reply with quote

There's nothing being hidden, fool, just go to the database used by all
scientific professionals, www.pubmed.com and do the research. I can
cite a ton of studies just on the PGE2/AIDS connection, but you want a
religion, not science. Good luck when they tell you to take AZT and it
destroys your body. There is a growing scientific literature on the
harm the "antivirals" do, none of which is related to HIV (and nobody
is claiming it is), but bow down to Pope Gallo and see what happens to
your body.
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GaryG
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 24, 2005 6:11 pm    Post subject: Re: Coffee Consumption and the Link to Cardiovascular Disease Reply with quote

"montygram" <nazztrader@lycos.com> wrote in message
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Quote:
There's nothing being hidden, fool, just go to the database used by all
scientific professionals, www.pubmed.com and do the research. I can
cite a ton of studies just on the PGE2/AIDS connection, but you want a
religion, not science. Good luck when they tell you to take AZT and it
destroys your body. There is a growing scientific literature on the
harm the "antivirals" do, none of which is related to HIV (and nobody
is claiming it is), but bow down to Pope Gallo and see what happens to
your body.


Of course...like most conspiracy nuts, anyone who disagrees with you is a
"fool", and "the evidence is out there". LOL.

I'm sure you know more than all the researchers, and all of the folks who
suffer from the scourge of AIDS. I'm sure there's some good reason that all
of the bright minds searching for a cure for this disease are wrong, and you
(of course) are right. Is it because it's all part of some evil plot?
Black helicopters, perhaps?

What a hoot.

GG
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montygram
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 24, 2005 6:11 pm    Post subject: Re: Coffee Consumption and the Link to Cardiovascular Disease Reply with quote

The science is there, but if you choose not to examine it, you will
suffer, not me. I've challenged the establishment, but I have not
takers. They don't want to pay me the cost of the drugs, which I'll
pocket, for decades - watching me make fools of them. But you can take
up my offer - it's open to anyone. I'll be exposed to HIV only, you
pay about $35K a year to me, and when I drop dead, you get all my
assets. I'll eat plenty of saturated fatty acids, cholesterol, and
salt, and I won't take the antivirals. So according to them, I
shouldn't be around very long. So why not increase your bank account,
GC? Because you know I'll live for many years, make a fool of you, and
take your money.
And by the way, you were the one who started the name calling, but you
are a fool, and your body will pay. Don't you realize that they keep
making promises for cures, but when was the last time a major "disease"
was "conquered?" They don't know what they are doing because they are
more politicians than scientists at this point. Do some reading and
research. I'm not asking anyone to believe me, and in fact I can't
take credit for any of my posts because scientists have written entire
books on all of this before, and not just Peter Duesberg. Have you
read the book, "Cofactors in HIV 1 Infection and AIDS" for example.
There are plenty of good scientists, but the governement agencies have
a stranglehold on research dollars and the mainstream media. But they
don't on the scientific journals. And for those who understand a bit
of the science, you can determine who's on the right track and who is
just blowing smoke, but I guess you live in a very foggy area.
The fools in charge now promised an HIV vaccine with a year, then two
years, then 5 years, then 10 years, and now I guess it's "go ask Magic
and see what he says." But you can't kill a latent virus, because it's
already as good as dead, and harmless, which is the important thing to
people. Have fun giving your friends and relatives your great advice
and watching them drop like flies. But if you believed what you are
telling them you'd take me up on my offer. So I'm making a total fool
out of you and you just can't take it. I understand. It's only human.
Go hug your teddy bear and have a good cry.
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John Que
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 24, 2005 6:11 pm    Post subject: Re: Coffee Consumption and the Link to Cardiovascular Disease Reply with quote

"GaryG" <sorrynoemail@NOSPAMX.com> wrote in message
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Quote:
"montygram" <nazztrader@lycos.com> spewed forth with
news:1107290595.437259.201260@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...

Wow...I read it on the internet, so it must be true...right?

Troll? Psycho? Does it matter?

Have you ever noticed how many people there are who post to Usenet who
know
the "truths" that the medical establishment, scientific researchers, and
"the government" are hiding from us?

Sheesh...

GG

Now the question is "does Monty use a condom with his hired "chickens"?"
I wonder if he also denies the existence of HBV and syphilis.
Or how he feels about the "germ theory"?
Is Monty really John T. Whale?

Quote:

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GaryG
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 24, 2005 6:11 pm    Post subject: Re: Coffee Consumption and the Link to Cardiovascular Disease Reply with quote

"montygram" <nazztrader@lycos.com> wrote in message
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Quote:
The science is there, but if you choose not to examine it, you will
suffer, not me. I've challenged the establishment, but I have not
takers. They don't want to pay me the cost of the drugs, which I'll
pocket, for decades - watching me make fools of them. But you can take
up my offer - it's open to anyone. I'll be exposed to HIV only, you
pay about $35K a year to me, and when I drop dead, you get all my
assets. I'll eat plenty of saturated fatty acids, cholesterol, and
salt, and I won't take the antivirals. So according to them, I
shouldn't be around very long. So why not increase your bank account,
GC? Because you know I'll live for many years, make a fool of you, and
take your money.

You are a very bizarre person...here's hoping you never actually get
infected.

BTW - I suppose all the folks in Africa are dying from some sort of dust
allergies?

Quote:
And by the way, you were the one who started the name calling, but you
are a fool, and your body will pay. Don't you realize that they keep
making promises for cures, but when was the last time a major "disease"
was "conquered?"

Like, say, polio? Or, smallpox? Or, rubella? Or, whooping cough?


Quote:
They don't know what they are doing because they are
more politicians than scientists at this point. Do some reading and
research. I'm not asking anyone to believe me, and in fact I can't
take credit for any of my posts because scientists have written entire
books on all of this before, and not just Peter Duesberg. Have you
read the book, "Cofactors in HIV 1 Infection and AIDS" for example.
There are plenty of good scientists, but the governement agencies have
a stranglehold on research dollars and the mainstream media. But they
don't on the scientific journals. And for those who understand a bit
of the science, you can determine who's on the right track and who is
just blowing smoke, but I guess you live in a very foggy area.
The fools in charge now promised an HIV vaccine with a year, then two
years, then 5 years, then 10 years, and now I guess it's "go ask Magic
and see what he says." But you can't kill a latent virus, because it's
already as good as dead, and harmless, which is the important thing to
people. Have fun giving your friends and relatives your great advice
and watching them drop like flies. But if you believed what you are
telling them you'd take me up on my offer. So I'm making a total fool
out of you and you just can't take it. I understand. It's only human.
Go hug your teddy bear and have a good cry.

Yes, yes...you know better than all the trained scientists, physicians, and
medical researchers. It must be hard living with the burden of your
superior intellect...LOL.

GG
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Paul E. Lehmann
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Posts: 51

PostPosted: Thu Mar 24, 2005 6:11 pm    Post subject: Re: More statin adverse effects to become obvious? Reply with quote

Sharon Hope wrote:

..............
Quote:

They're making progress. The NIH investigators, as of yesterday, can no
longer take 400% over their NIH salary in cash and stock options from the
company whose drug they are evaluating for FDA approval.

What's next? Maybe the FDA might start enforcing safety of approved
drugs......


When I was working for the National Weather Service, a friend of mine (a
computer programmer) left the Weather Service and took a job (as computer
programmer) with the FDA. He was forced to get rid of all his pharma
stocks that he owned.

This is really amazing since then (about 5 years ago) - and probably even
now, scientists could / can work for the FDA, leave the government and go
to work for the Pharma industry and return to work for the FDA. It is a
revolving door in which scientist can leave the government, work on drugs
in the private sector and then come back to the FDA and fast track the very
drugs their company was working on. They can then go back to the private
sector and continue to repeat this cycle indefinitely. They enforce
conflict of interest policies for their technical people but not the top
"Professionals".
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GMCarter
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 24, 2005 6:11 pm    Post subject: Re: Coffee Consumption and the Link to Cardiovascular Disease Reply with quote

On Tue, 01 Feb 2005 09:28:54 GMT, "Phil Scott"
<philscott888@sf.sbcglobal.net> wrote:

snip
Quote:
Hi George, thanks for the clues on peripheral micronutrient
issues.. I will google that line of terms...can you add a
few.. I have a semi well developed neuropathy in my
feetsies... a type 2 issue. age 64.

Look up the research on alpha lipoic acid and acetylcarnitine.
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GMCarter
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 24, 2005 6:11 pm    Post subject: Re: Coffee Consumption and the Link to Cardiovascular Disease Reply with quote

On 1 Feb 2005 12:01:06 -0800, "montygram" <nazztrader@lycos.com>
wrote:

Quote:
Supply a scientific reference for a study that demonstrates HIV doing
catastophic damage to a particular tissue or organ in a human being who
is otherwise healthy.

LOL. Now there's a request that begs to be impossible to satisfy, I'll
bet. No matter what I post, you'll squeal some denialist irrelevant
bullshit. But here ya go:

Orenstein JM, Feinberg M, Yoder C, Schrager L, Mican JM,
Schwartzentruber DJ, Davey RT Jr, Walker RE, Falloon J, Kovacs JA,
Miller KD, Fox C, Metcalf JA, Masur H, Polis MA. Lymph node
architecture preceding and following 6 months of potent antiviral
therapy: follicular hyperplasia persists in parallel with p24 antigen
restoration after involution and CD4 cell depletion in an AIDS
patient. AIDS. 1999 Nov 12;13(16):2219-2229.

Department of Pathology, George Washington University Medical
Center, Washington, DC 20037, USA. patjmo@gwumc.edu

OBJECTIVES: To evaluate changes in architecture, viral RNA, and
viral protein over 6 months in lymph nodes from retroviral-naive
HIV-infected persons before and after commencing highly active
antiretroviral therapy (HAART). METHODS: Nine antiretroviral-naive
HIV-infected persons had lymph nodes excised at baseline and at 2 and
6-8 months after beginning a four-drug combination regimen containing
zidovudine, lamivudine, nevirapine, and indinavir. Two patients had
AIDS. Lymph nodes were examined by immunohistochemical staining for
Gag p24 HIV, CD3, CD21, CD20, HAM 56, and Ki67 antigens and by in-situ
hybridization (ISH) for HIV RNA and H3-histone RNA. RESULTS: Eight of
nine baseline lymph nodes showed follicular hyperplasia and germinal
center and paracortical mononuclear cell activation. At 2 months, the
lymph nodes from seven patients, including the AIDS patients, showed
more follicular hyperplasia and activation than their baseline
specimens but with decreased mononuclear cell activation. By 6 months,
seven lymph nodes were less hyperplastic and activated than their
corresponding 2 month specimens. Combined ISH/immunohistochemical
staining of baseline lymph nodes revealed productively infected T
(CD3) and B (CD20) cells and macrophages (HAM56+). HIV RNA-positive
mononuclear cells were infrequent at 2 months, and rare at 6 months.
HIV RNA was still associated with follicular dendritic cells (FDC) at
2 months, but not at 6 months. HIV p24-positive antigen in germinal
centers persisted through all 6, and the one 8 month specimens. The
baseline lymph nodes from one of the AIDS patients was involuted and T
cell depleted, whereas the follow-up lymph nodes were hyperplastic
with normal T cell levels. CONCLUSION: Follicular hyperplasia and cell
activation, possibly caused by persistent viral protein in germinal
centers, may help explain why HIV viremia rebounds so rapidly after
the interruption of HAART. Restoration of architecture may follow the
treatment of patients with AIDS who initially had involuted and CD4
cell-depleted lymph nodes.


Quote:
There is not a one, because HIV is a nothing
virus.

Wrong. It is a retrovirus.

Quote:
I have volunteered to prove this by being infected with HIV,
but I want the cost of the antiviral drugs, for the rest of my life. I
also will eat plenty of cholesterol and saturated fatty acids in my
diet, so according the current social myths, I should not last very
long, and I will sign over all my worldy possessions to whoever takes
me up on this offer, when I die. My assets are not minor, so anyone
who believes in the current social myths should rush to take me up on
this offer.

I hope somebody will!! Please be sure to be public and document what
occurs publically. Maybe it will silence the nonsense denialists spew.

But be aware that many of the staunchest denialists who were HIV+ have
since died of AIDS, e.g., most recently, David Pasquarelli.

George M. Carter
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GMCarter
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 24, 2005 6:11 pm    Post subject: Re: Coffee Consumption and the Link to Cardiovascular Disease Reply with quote

On 1 Feb 2005 12:43:15 -0800, "montygram" <nazztrader@lycos.com>
wrote:

snip The "HIV
Quote:
test" is for HIV antibodies, which means it's been neutralized by the
body, and is not harmful, but if your body begins to falll apart
because you've done IV drugs for years, of course the HIV will
reactivate at some point - it's just trying to jump ship because you're
killing yourself and it doesn't want to die with you.

Man, you really are so full of s**t you need a Q Tip to clean out of
your ears.

Antibody generation is an immune response to infection. Often, it is a
sign of success in ridding the body of the infection. But many
diseases are not successfully cleared. Hepatitis B and Hep C can
generate antibody responses that do not indicate cleared disease, with
subsequent increased risk of cirrhosis.

Lifestyle issues CLEARLY have an impact on the rate of progression.
PGE2 is relevant. But your therapeutic implications, while they may or
may not be of some relevance, will not cure HIV disease.

Your characterization of people with AIDS as all having a "drug"
lifestyle is just nonsense. I have known people of all ages, genders,
ethnicities, etc. HIV doesn't discriminate.

George M. Carter
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 24, 2005 6:11 pm    Post subject: HIV (Was Re: Coffee Consumption and the Link to Cardiovascular Disease) Reply with quote

montygram showed his ignorance of immunity when he wrote:
Quote:
HIV is the
least dangerous virus a person could be "infected" with.

It's a retrovirus which means it integrates into the DNA of the host -
never a good thing. Viral cancers are a result of this.

Quote:
The "HIV
test" is for HIV antibodies, which means it's been neutralized by the
body,

No, it means it's been detected by the body and antibodies made. If it
had been neutralized, by which I assume you mean destroyed, you
wouldn't expect there to be high antibody levels in the blood.

Quote:
and is not harmful, but if your body begins to falll apart
because you've done IV drugs for years, of course the HIV will
reactivate at some point - it's just trying to jump ship because
you're
killing yourself and it doesn't want to die with you.

Sentient virus is it? That beats "no lipid bilayers" for quackery.

Quote:
Here's an example of a good study that should be followed up, but
instead the biomedical establishment is just dispensing poisons,
which,
like chemotherapy, will just prolong a life a few years at best (and
often cause a ton of pain and suffering:

Biochem J. 2004 Dec 15;384(Pt 3):469-76. Related Articles,Links

Cyclo-oxygenase type 2-dependent prostaglandin E2 secretion is
involved
in retrovirus-induced T-cell dysfunction in mice.

Notice it says *retrovirus-induced* T-cell dysfunction. No retrovirus,
no dysfunction. If something induces T cell dysfunction it's not
harmless.

Quote:
The body is a biochemical entity. In order to make a scientific
claim
about "disease," one must be able to demonstrate the biochemical
mechanism,

Something you repeatedly fail to do with your "theories".

Quote:
otherwise associations may just be accidental,
demographical, socioeconomic, etc. This is not just the case with
HIV=AIDS,

The biochemistry of HIV infection is straightforward. Gp120 proteins on
the surface of HIV bind to CD4 proteins on T-helper cells and the viral
particle is taken into the cell, where it releases a reverse
transcriptase which copies it's genetic information into the DNA of the
host. Transcription of that DNA creates more virus until the host cell
ruptures. Eventually all the T-helper cells are destroyed and the
immune system is crippled. Either you don't believe viruses destroy
cells, or you don't believe GP120 binds CD4. Which is it?

Quote:
Mr. Carter never
presents evidence - he asks us to assume that he is the Moses of
AIDS,
coming down from the mountain with the HIV tablets. Good luck to
anyone who takes anything he says seriously - you will certainly need
it.

The sound advice is from the person who thinks he won't get infected by
HIV if he eats lots of coconut oil is it?

MattLB
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GaryG
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 24, 2005 6:11 pm    Post subject: Re: How does lifting heavy weights affect the heart in the longer run? Reply with quote

"roy" <roy***@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
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Quote:
On Mon, 31 Jan 2005 14:40:32 -0800, xyzer wrote:

In general, all else equal, how does powerlifting affect the heart in
the
longer run? For example, if you took a million randomly selected people
from this world, didn't change anything about them other than the fact
that you made them start powerlifting at age 18, and then looked at a
million other randomly selected people that weren't made to start
powerlifting, what differences in their hearts would you predict seeing
and would it matter? ... Say, you examined them at age 50. What's the
latest research say about this?

Prone to atrial fibrillation. True of many athletes esp' endurance
trainers.


Citations? Links?
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Henk J.van Dijk
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 24, 2005 6:11 pm    Post subject: Re: Blueberries lower LDL cholesterol better than statin drugs Reply with quote

[John Que]
Quote:
Zee reports that it might helped on the basis of cell cultures.
You must be taking statins as your memory is clearly impaired. Sneer.

It did help the animals memory and motor skills per the
pasted article.

Statins have ruin some peoples health.

I suppose, you ate too many blueberries (or Blueberries for you) Wink
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 24, 2005 6:11 pm    Post subject: Re: Coffee Consumption and the Link to Cardiovascular Disease Reply with quote

Quote:
Subject: Re: Coffee Consumption and the Link to Cardiovascular Disease
From: "montygram" nazztrader@lycos.com
Date: 2/1/2005 12:43 PM Pacific Standard Time
Message-id: <1107290595.437259.201260@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com

The "HIV
test" is for HIV antibodies, which means it's been neutralized by th

body,

interesting theory...but not accurate

the initial HIV test is indeed an antibody test...

if positive it is followed by PCR....which can actually count viral
particles...called "viral load"....which is also used to follow reactions to
antivirals...

Quote:
s, which,
like chemotherapy, will just prolong a life a few years at best (and
often cause a ton of pain and suffering:

and of course you have experience in treating such people...NOT....

hmmm...how long has Magic Johnson been positive?? about 15 years I
believe...and he took antivirals...funny that


hawki.....
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